every single thing doesnt have to
but people told blizzard in hundreds of threadds how they want mage tower back for the chalengeing aspect of it
now it proves to be nothing then lies.
so admit you and thousands of players have been lieing for years and sending falsyfied feedback to blizz and admit yu wanted super nerfed end of 7.3 full zerg mode experience .
Consider your opinion invalidated because you got your mage tower achieve before during Argus.
Lame.
There is difference between challenging and impossible. Between white and black there are many shades of grey you know?
I think your opinion is invalid because you obviously donât want the game to have a broad spectrum of difficulty in content, but rather just want everything to be easy with optional tuning knots, not because of when you or I got the mage tower achievement.
And yet again, you should double check whose opinion is valid or not, because you sound like your fingers and sixth spot is on fire right now from the reality being thrown your way, big boy.
Itâs weird because you never cleared it when it was âhardâ yourself. 
You waited until you outgeared it just like Ishayo, with your Crucible and everything else all leveled up. While you ignore people that cleared it in Legion before you or Ishayo speaking out about the issues currently with it.
I donât even know what youâre talking about at this point. I havenât done the mage tower yet. All I said was that there should exist content that only the 1-3% best can complete, and Blizzard intends for it to be this. If itâs harder than that, itâs too hard, if itâs easier than that, itâs too easy, and then everybody lost their marbles through various misunderstandings of my post and most of them got upset along the way.
Nowhere near this hard, wish I had my old account to prove this.
It was doable by majority of players who wanted to get specific appearances. I was one of them as I didnât feel the need to no-life the game.
Because thatâs not why we returned to the game at this specific time. Most people did that already and are long over it.
There is, mythic rading, mythic plus, Tazavesh was quite difficult at the start and required patience and knowledge of mechanics.
As someone who DID this challenge as arms during Legion, I proudly say that this sht right here is NOT how this challenge used to be, thatâs one, and this isnât how a challenge like this should be handled, thatâs two. This challenge was advertised as THE thing to come back into the game for and it is utterly broken and unplayable. Worse yet, it is much tougher than it was live during Legion even without the shadow buffs.
Literally who says this? This thread is full of people that say that this challenge is IMPOSSBILE unless you do Rextroy levels of math, not the âI can clear this if I work hard and memorise mechanicsâ like it was in Legion. Shut your trap and get your head out of your posh pandaren bum for one second.
I will wholeheartedly accept magetower challenges I wonât be able to complete due to my lack of skill. However, I WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT accept a challenge I cannot complete because of developer oversight and broken mechanics. As for design, the games design should be right at the comfortable middle. The lowest common denominators should work harder, while high-horse riding players that grease through the game like you should be able to have your shower contests between each others, all the while the players in between can comfortably attempt these challenges and assess if they are skilled enough.
Theyâre not even working as they did back in Legion.
In the holy priest challenge, the mobs are attacking the shackled targets. They switched targets in Legion so you could force them to focus mobs, rather than just breaking the shackle.
The mages also do an absurd amount of damage, you could let them go to 2 stacks without worrying in Legion, if they hit 2 stacks now, youâre wiping.
You mean Mythic Raids, unlimited M+ levels, arena, and all the competitions they get into⌠That they get all the content they enjoy with every patch while others do not? Instead we get poorly tuned, improperly scaled rehashes of old content that couldnât even be as good as they were originally?
They shouldâve just Legion gear templates for these. No cheesing with old trinkets, gems, etc. Your gear, should not matter in this case at all since itâs all âscaledâ
in ptr guides they doing it so soft and easy why they just buff all the bossâs skills jesus christ
I think Iâll reiterate this.
I really donât think you read what I told you. Like, at all. I donât think any of you did. I very clearly, very clearly said that it should not be impossible but it should be more difficult than many will probably have expected.
We definitely disagree on that - not everything should have the same difficulty. Good players deserve content that they have a hard time defeating, and so do the mediocre players, and so do the bad players, and so do the all new I-donât-even-know-what-a-spellbook-is players. We all deserve a next step - and these steps should be different ones so thereâs progression!
Now, youâre making the point that itâs much harder than the 7.2 version, and if thatâs the case then it is too hard. I said that right from the very beginning.
Might I suggest that different people said they wanted the challenge vs the people who are today saying they didnât want to have to farm all the legacy pieces, learn the strats, and practise it several hundred times?
It wasnât lies, it was just different portions of the community.
For myself, I will give the tower a poke. If it feels like Iâm getting nowhere, Iâll just ignore it. If it feels like subsequent attempts are a learning experience and it can be conquered with practise, then Iâll give it a bit more effort - to the limit of my patience, at least.
But Iâm not going to dedicate 2 weeks to it, and Iâm definitely not going to farm legacy gear. If I canât reasonably feel like Iâm making progress and that I will eventually beat it, then Iâll just walk away from this one.
Whether thatâs what Blizz intend is for them to decide. If MT ends up having very small participation, itâll probably be nerfed.
They changed the fight from how they worked in Legion, thatâs the problem. If I shackled mobs in Legion, the allies you have in the holy priest challenge didnât break it. They switched to a mob that wasnât shackled. Now? They just run up to it and break it.
The mages also do an absurd amount of damage compared to in Legion, you could let them get stacks and now you wipe if they have 2.
Thatâs obviously broken.
No, I donât. I donât mean any of that. None of that is content - itâs just rescalings of content for lower end players.
Tell me - did Naxx improve or degrade vanilla? Did Black Temple or Sunwell improve or degrade tBC? Did the existence of these dungeons take away from the experience of most players who played those expansions?
And, in that line of thought, does a hard mage tower make Shadowlands worse?
Those are the kinds of questions that Iâm asking.
You mean back when most of the playerbase hadnât reached Max level yet? If you want to talk, then we can look at Classic Ishayo. Further, those were not a âlimited time eventâ and had absolutely NOTHING to do with scaling NOR were they rehashes of old content but simply made harder due to bad scaling?
You seem to love chirping about topics that you actually donât know much about including your own admission of having never done the mage tower around the time it first released and havenât even tried this one but youâre sitting in here arguing on the forums to be a contrarian instead.
I think what people should be asking is, am I that good enough to complete Mage Tower. Limited people have completed it, which means itâs definitely doable. I did MT on my Warrior back in Legion, I tried Ret a few times today, but Iâm not sure if I can bring myself to learning the tactics, right build n stuff and spend a lot of time doing it. Probably not good enough for it since I barely came close to 70%
There definitely seems to be some indication to me that some of them are just plain broken, but most of the people here are complaining because theyâre giving voice to that little feeling I had back when I did it on my feral in 7.2 (where most people called Feral nearly impossible as well) that said: âDang. I thought I was a better feral than this. I always considered myself a pretty decent one, wtf?â
Turns out I wasnât as good as I thought - got myself a good beating, learned it, and came back with a vengeance.
Iâm sure Iâll get the same trip later today - but I donât come here and complain about it - I relish in it because this is what the mage tower is for.
EDIT:
Live video of an Arms Warrior doing it. Itâs definitely not impossible, so Ginir⌠sorry man.
It still might be too hard though, but youâre saying itâs broken and impossible. Itâs not.
Notate their gear, and their consumables. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/kinaw Almost all gemmed. Itâs just like how all the level 19-29 twinks all have socketed gear despite any scaling going on, gems are very strong. So, best to use all the consumables you can and all the gems you can get your hands on along with enchants.
But, so far, for anyone thatâs casual? Anyone even inbetween 50-60 will struggle simply because of their gear because they didnât do templates for this challenge.