Main problem with TBC pvp

[Meiterumi-ragnaros (Meiterumi)]

@Zalanji-mirage-raceway

I know you dislike how harder it is to establish dominance on a zone in a world with flying, but that’s exactly why it has a positive effect on world pvp. Because the world isn’t just about two players.

That’s exactly why it has a negative effect. The world isn’t there for a large group of individual players or small groups to enjoy. It is there for a 40-man raid to occupy any area they want, and rarely do people want to engage. Why would they, when flying gives them a safe afk zone.

@Zalanji-mirage-raceway

In a Classic situation, once a faction establish dominance over a zone, it’s extremely hard to wrestle control out of them. With flying in the equation, however, you can deliver a victorious strike even with inferior numbers, if you swoop down at the right time.

It isn’t as hard as you think. Huge battles occur constantly on my realm. With flying in the equation, however, people with inferior numbers would never deliver a victorious strike because they would rather afk in the air and wait it out.

@Zalanji-mirage-raceway

Sure, the other faction can then retake the ground in the same way, but then it becomes less of a contest of numbers and more of a contest of will - i.e. who’s willing to fight the longest. Which actually is a healthier kind of WPvP if you ask me.

Any kind of world pvp, where the will to fight is stronger than the numbers, is truly healthier. But, flying messes it up.

@Zalanji-mirage-raceway

I’ve never claimed that WPvP on TBC is exactly the same as on Classic, nor have I claimed that you’re not allowed to prefer the WPvP as it is on Classic. Your problem is that (1) you seem to believe that everyone ought to prefer WPvP as it is on Classic, and that (2) flying mounts should be judged solely for what they do to WPvP, irrespective of any other consideration.

I don’t believe that at all. I prefer classic’s world pvp. Don’t know how others feel about it.

So, you want to judge flying mounts on their other negative effects? Fine by me! Let’s see:

• They make the world feel much smaller
• They allow a player to explore all zones in a couple of hours and thus get bored quicker
• They make some aspects of the game trivial and less challenging
• Low-level ganking becomes much easier
• Since people spend less time traveling, blizz will add some boring chore to keep players online longer
• They are anti-social because everyone flies to their destination, and people don’t meet and communicate as often. Flying really dealt a bad blow to the sense of community

@Zalanji-mirage-raceway

Nevermind the fact that a lot of people don’t give a damn about what you like about the game.

Other people shouldn’t give a damn about what any of us like. True individuals find their own way.

@Zalanji-mirage-raceway

Well don’t be surprised then if none of these changes happen to TBC, because people who don’t like these aspects of TBC are not supposed to be playing it anyway. Also don’t be surprised if, by the time TBC launches, you turn out to be a minuscule minority.

Why would I be surprised about any of this? I know acti-blizz won’t implement any of these changes. They will copy paste thc like they did with classic and be done with it. The only slight hope acti-blizz might do something good is shadowlands.

@Zalanji-mirage-raceway

Good thing there’re a lot other things in the game to enjoy other than “abrupt and chaotic world pvp” then. Shocking concept, I know.

So, you want to talk about other things as well? Retail, as bad as it is, still has pet battles (pvp, pve, and hundreds of pets to collect), a lot of rare mounts to farm, transmog farming; rated battlegrounds, brawler’s guild battles, proving ground, mythic +, and a lot more. What does tbc have to offer? A bunch of raids, dungeons, arenas, and a few cool zones. If retail can get boring with all of that, I don’t even want to bother giving tbc a try. Even a more shocking concept, isn’t it?