The solution is nothing to do with group finder, which forces people together, it’s fixing mythic plus so that people are less meta obsessed.
Remove challenger’s peril, restore the “stun works as a kick” feature from past expacs.
And people would still take the meta. With no challengers peril, with cc interrupting casts. How would that change a thing?
People will always take the path of least resistance. The best DPS. Rio. Ilvl. I’m just amazed you guys can’t figure it out yet.
If all classes but 1 DPS did 100 Damage per second and 1 class did 101 Damage per second they would still wait for the class doing 1 more DPS. It’s how people are. Adapt
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100% agree with you! I also support your views that once the LFG system forms the party, it moves 3000 gold from each DD’s account and distributes it between the tank and the healer, giving 4500 gold each for their troubles.
This would stop happening automatically, if the ratio to DD to tank and healer improves, of course.
Time to let the DPS pay their fair share for running dungeons!
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No because i am pretty sure you would not auto accept my dps alts either, heck i bet you do not even play a tank or healer you only care for your own benefit ot for other benefit, go make some friends.
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You want M+ to stay as a tiny minority activity and as dead as it can be.
I never said that, but there’s no solution. You say nerf nerf or soloQ but the problem still exists.
(also the content is far from dead)
Then ask blizzard to introduce Mythic- dungeons and add them to the automated MM. They’ll drop random HC level gear since that’s in line with their nerfed difficulty.
As for a score requirement: There was a time back in legion when blizz added silver proving grounds as prerequisite for joining random HC. It was a trivial challenge but there was massive whining on the forum until blizzard removed it.
The attitude of this community towards automated MM is that they want:
-guaranteed entry
-guaranteed win
regardless of their skill/effort.
And last but not least, there’s a massive difference between a system where you’re matched with 4 people who have the same rating as you, and one that matches you with 4 random people as long as you all have more score than X.
One pushes the responsibility onto blizzard since they have to set X, and if groups fail it’s blizzard’s “fault”. In the other if you queue for a +8 with 1000 score then YOU are the one saying it’s enough. And the consequences are on you.
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They should make one it will fail in a month.
Gl completing a dungeon with 3 paladins a hunter and arms warrior.
No TW/BL no int buff no sta buff for example im sure there are more im forgetting.
Would you do a +12 in this setup now ?
Well you gone be doing it then.
Unless blizzard is gone make groups who always have a tw/bl int buff sta buff. So that would mean there is always a mage and priest in the group then we have the tank so there are 2 spots left for all the other classes/specs.
I already see people asking for punishments so others cant leave a M+ that is formed in the LFG m+ tool.
LFG m+ will be verry verry toxic imo.
I also doubt people want to do high keys in a LFG its hard enough to compleet it atm whitout drama when you can make the group the way you want it.
Atleast now people see m+ score they can see ilvl they can look for enchants/gems they can see your talent build and make a decision if they want you or not.
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BL is sure nice, the others are so unnecessary.
I am pretty sure that OP said that this would only apply up to +8.
Let me see.
Oh yes, indeed he did. Your argument is invalid.
Out of curiosity, up to what level would you be okay with this suggestion then?
you can always make your own group and invite only non-meta players
who is stopping you drom doing it?
Maybe but why make a group that is not having them if you can make a group who got all of them ?
So upto a +8 if i sign i get auto invited if there is no mage present or how would you make it work ?
You can end up with 5 paladins in a group or 5 druids if everyone that sign meets the criteria they will get invited.
Would you stop that from happening by only letting 1 of each class in a group ?
You gone use score ? ilvl ? what criteria would you use ?
They can do it upto whatever for all i care but i doubt you want to try your +12 in a LFG queue as you will have 0 control what spec or class is joining.
good, that talent suck, 3 min cd isnt enough to justify the talent cost.
You can remove near every 2nd debuff.
Why even try it. 
To address some points people made:
- You can’t decide on much more than class, score and item level at the moment anyway. Some people were saying you can vet people by looking at talents and enchants - who does that for a +8 and below? So when it comes to criteria, there really isn’t much difference in how it is now, the only difference is it doesn’t allow people to have things like a meta bias or want to wait for some super high score/gear player to show.
- It’s the same thing for dispells, BL, duplicate classes. This can all be handled by an auto finder. Its really not as big of a difficulty as people are making out. It’s trivial even.
- It can’t be optional or it would spread players too thin
- People saying that players will go and form communities where they can be picky - maybe a little, but people are lazy, and if the system works well enough, they won’t. People should be outgrowing +8s fairly fast anyway.
- People suggesting to me that I pick the first 4 players who show up in a group I list, to see how this would work… well obviously that’s not what I’m suggesting. The auto finder would be smart enough to have a criteria. In that case it wouldn’t be that different, I DO add the first 4 people that meet my criteria already.
- Some people think I am talking about this system for +12 etc. Idk what to say to that, if you can’t read I don’t know why you’re on a forum
I said a few times I don’t think this is the most perfect solution, nor that it would definitely work, but I just thought it’s worth discussing and even worth trying. Like some have said, try it at the end of a season or expansion and see how it goes.
Will i at least still be able to play with my premade and not use any lfg tool at all?
The part you’re leaving out is that this system is in the game right now. It’s called: set a minimum rating and invite the first 4 people that fit your setup.
You want blizz to stick their hand into it so you can blame them for your group failing, and demand them to “fix” it.
You just want the content to be nerfed.
Yes you’d still have that option, and list a partially formed group
I personally dont like the sound of making it mandatory. I dont mind if its an optional way for ppl to form groups, but not to take away the already existing options.
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maybe a new solo m+ queue with it´s own rating system is exactly what we need
I don’t want the content to be nerfed, or be able to blame blizzard.
Lower keys should happen quickly, thats what I want. I don’t want to wait ages to play a low key. It’s a big problem at the moment and finding a solution isn’t easy.
People talking about “blizzard need to fix balance” etc are kind of missing the point - the classes are, and have usually been balanced perfectly fine for +8 and below, it only matters in the higher keys. But a lot of people in lower keys demand the meta because human nature is just stupid.
This is why I say that people can’t be trusted with listing lower keys. They need to experience the entire spectrum of classes and utility in M+ instead of picking only the meta classes and people who are overgeared and overscored. Its like the whole thing has constipation and the auto finder would be like a laxative to get it all moving again.