Make WoW Metal again

[Mannar-stormscale]

/10char

[Mannar-stormscale]

I must have missed something earlier in the thread, but where did the ducks come from? Lol

[Vesie-arathor]

This is what you get when you have your d&i department writing the story.

[Sanguish-argent-dawn]

Guess you never played DF. Cringe-inducing storyline/quests.

[Damneddface-golemagg]

Hopefully they’ll also get the can after M$ already kicked their whole division.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Sanguish-argent-dawn

Guess you never played DF. Cringe-inducing storyline/quests.

Well, you can certainly feel that way. That’s subjective and that’s completely fine.
However, that’s not at all the same as what you said before.

[Kathark-argent-dawn]

Most of the war within so far has pretty darked up stuff. So I doubt this will be like df

[Succubus-frostwhisper]

I’m really hoping for that.
I only played first zone so far, but I hope it’ll get darker.

[Kathark-argent-dawn]

do the memorial in the first zone

[Miylee-twilights-hammer]

@Vicktor-aszune

WoW devs going full Metal and saying stuff like:

“We’re going back to our roots and putting out the heaviest stuff we’ve ever done!”

Right before they don’t go back to their roots and put out the lightest stuff they’ve ever done. That would be pretty Metal.

Lars Ulrich, is that you?

[Astaldis-argent-dawn]

@Tah-earthen-ring

I used to feel this way; when I was an angsty teen and edgy young adult.
I can still appreciate some of those themes, but just edgy stuff for the sake of it being edgy? Nah. I have appreciated most of DF’s lighter hearted themes - with the exception of the end of raid ‘friendship is power’ type stuff. I’m not quite so sentimental that I like that sort of thing; not in WoW anyway.

I hope TWW and the rest of the World Soul Saga is able to create a good balance between light-hearted and darker themes. I definitely don’t want everything to be dark and gloomy and depressing; that would ruin the game for me way more than any quirky cute stuff would.

I saw this a bit too late, but still feel like addressing it. Moving past the phase of an edgy teenager is perfectly fine and even preferred. That being said, maturing has nothing to do with not enjoying cool or badass things in art or media anymore. You yourself admit that this kind of “friendship is power” does not belong in the Warcraft world.

World of Warcraft has always been about cool characters that have a personality and adhere to morally grey or down right strange or problematic ethics because of their upbringing, their culture or history. Dragons are (supposed to be) fearsome beings because they are very strong and have lived for eons - you’d think that at least gives you some emotional stability. Night elves were very harsh with enforcing their laws about magic because the uncontrolled use of magic is what facilitated the legion invasion that resulted in the Great Sundering and a lot of them dying in battle. Arthas ended up how he did because he was an immature, self-righteous, spoiled prince. That’s hardly “edgy for the sake of being edgy”. The list goes on. Sure, the lore in Warcraft 3 was never super deep, but man it was fun and made you actually look deeper into it.

If you don’t like that kind of stuff or you find it “for teenagers”, maybe the Warcraft universe is not for you. Besides, if Warcraft 3 writing and dialogues are for teenagers, Dragonflight (and now War Within) is straight up for kids (“Communication initi- uhh… umm… hello” still gives me cringe shivers down my spine). There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, I too enjoy the occasional relaxing, cutsie game, like Animal Crossing and Stardew Valley, or some emotional animes (although, in all fairness, those are at least written in a way that makes you care about the characters). But let me make my point clear: this is not Warcraft. It can be called whatever else, and it’s going to be a good product. But Warcraft it is not.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Astaldis-argent-dawn

I too enjoy the occasional relaxing, cutsie game, like Animal Crossing and Stardew Valley, or some emotional animes

No, there’s no ‘too’. I do not enjoy any of those things. I don’t like anime and I don’t like those sorts of games you mention.

When I think of relaxing, cozy games I think of stuff like the ‘Life is Strange’ series, for instance.

@Astaldis-argent-dawn

If you don’t like that kind of stuff or you find it “for teenagers”, maybe the Warcraft universe is not for you.

And yet, here we are with (certain) people complaining that WoW isn’t edgy enough. So hey… Maybe the Warcraft universe isn’t for those people anymore?

I’m not the one asking for all kinds of changes to be made. I’m enjoying the game as it is.

[Undervine-argent-dawn]

Ngl, I’ve noticed quests becoming more about tending to animals and plants rather than there being any conflict or serious stuff. If so, its killing “poor innocent gorlocs that we unfortunately have to kill”. Leaders are asking overwhelmingly weak and childish, controlled by emotions.

[Heramaar-argent-dawn]

@Ewavy-ravencrest

From war tribes to RP hippies is where the game has gone.

Not really wrong tbh.

@Undervine-argent-dawn

If so, its killing “poor innocent gorlocs that we unfortunately have to kill”. Leaders are asking overwhelmingly weak and childish, controlled by emotions.

That’s what happens when your writing team is mostly female/queer. They write based of their (hormonal) perspective (which is nothing wrong btw.) but not everyone’s going to like it that way.

[Dorannul-argent-dawn]

Bro stop it, you’re killing me You complain old warcraft/wow is “edgy” and “for teenagers” and you play Life is Strange, a game literally about edgy teenagers. It’s also funny how you cherry-picked my comment and didn’t address any of the points I presented for why warcraft was never edgy for the sake of being edgy.

And yet, here we are with (certain) people complaining that WoW isn’t edgy enough. So hey… Maybe the Warcraft universe isn’t for those people anymore?

Maybe you are right. This universe was a big part of my childhood, but it’s become stale and bland and maybe that’s the normal course of nature. After all, no series can last forever and be as good. It’s maybe times to move on to greener pastures.

Edit: btw I am Astaldis, in case it wasn’t clear

[Dralkharn-draenor]

I do think that finding notes of local earthen leader that with each note becomes more and more unhinged until you find her as deformed monstrosity in cave pretty metal, or that one dude which entire squad was killed by parasitic squads, or helping nerubian lady eat her husband (unkowingly but hey).

@Heramaar-argent-dawn

That’s what happens when your writing team is mostly female/queer.

suuure, but wasn’t entire TWW and future expansions were pretty much Metzen ideas? XD He’s current creative and story leader, he decides tone that story goes, atleast main for sure.
I guess Christ Metzen will not return WAR in WARcraft or some other bullcrap idk

[Dralkharn-draenor]

he was a creative advisor far longer, it’s just he was moved to higher position at some point of development, he was never truly “gone” from blizzard.

[Dorannul-argent-dawn]

@Dralkharn-draenor

I guess Christ Metzen will not return WAR in WARcraft or some other bullcrap idk

I think from the interview he has in the recent WoW podcast he said he arrived at the middle/end of development of war within, for what it’s worth. Not saying he’s gonna save WoW, but from what I understood, he wasn’t there since the beginning to really make a difference

[Dralkharn-draenor]

he was there to influence enough and had enough interest to not bail out, he certainly isn’t against current direction, and his influence dates to dragonflight.
He also really liked shadowlands lore by the way, he wrote about it in twitter, to specify: lore, not story.

[Dorannul-argent-dawn]

Right, well I guess it’s a lost battle then