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That was my initial thought, until I looked at it in a different way.
What thatâs really talking about is countries and populations.
With a strong deterrent, you are less likely to be invaded and so people can live in relative safety. Long periods of peace can lead to complacency, leading to a weaker deterrent and hence more chance of being invaded.
Itâs waxing sentimental of old men complaining about the perceived shortcomings of younger men. It has no basis in history. It doesnât even have real meaning - What is âstrongâ and âweakâ supposed to mean?
And we can easily see how it doesnât play out like that anyway. âHard times create strong menâ? Yeah, except of course these âhardâ times are a famine for example. Because that will lead to starved, weak men.
Itâs a story told by those who want to think of themselves as âstrongâ.
Itâs basically âIn my times we had to walk over three hills to get to schoolâ
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If you are breaking it down as you are, it will never make sense.
You have to read it as a whole and realise itâs not talking about individuals.
It doesnât hold up to even slight scrutiny, thatâs the point, yes.
It makes perfect sense to me if you read it the way I did.
It makes zero sense as soon as you give it a single thought.
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Usually itâs a kind of quote used to excuse more of a fascist or dictatorial rule by virtue of whatâs signalled as âstrongâ.
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But that doesnât mean everyone feels that way.
Thereâs plenty of people who disagree to some degree.
I for instance love the alliance/horde working together. Iâm sick and tired of their useless hatred of each other and it leading to absolutely nothing.
Now; I wouldnât mind a bit more âbadassery momentsâ again, because yes DF was lacking those. But itâs so irritating to see some people be absolutely hyperbolic with nonsense like ârainbowsâ, âhello kittyâ and all that kind of stuff. WoW is far from any of that.
So; more badass moments? Yes please.
But I do not want to go back to the same old tired horde/alliance hostilities.
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The biggest problem of that quote is not the quote itself, but rather who is saying it and where.
Mostly it is used by people who will be soiling themselves the second they get on the business side of the sword.
If they are using it that way, Iâd say theyâre using it incorrectly.
âHard times create strong menâ - It can create some hardened people usually at the expense of some of their humanity. It can also more often break people.
âstrong men create good times,â - A few maybe but most are more likely to be the opposite.
âgood times create weak men,â - Not true, doesnât create weak people. However it does create people that would rather avoid conflict. But that in itself doesnât make them weak.
âand weak men create hard timesâ. - Simply not true.
If anyone uses that quote to try and justify themselves, then that quote simply doesnât stack up.
THUUUNDER AND STEEEEEEEEL!!!
Would be nice if they stopped the dinseyfication of everything. DF had a lot of darkness but itâs all sugar coated in a thick coat of colourful frosting. Iâd say Iâd like wow to become more gritty again but then Shadowlands happenedâŚ
I think itâs best to ask that they stop self sabotaging themselves, and reassess who their audience is and what do they like. For me wow has become too cutesy, from Sailormoon outfits, to the constant barrage of completely unnecessary and utterly forgettable mini races all the way to quests about a Dracthyr wanting to become an ornithologist⌠I get and respect that a part of the gameâs demographic enjoys all that stuff but I canât help but feel that they donât do enough in the other direction. The heavy themes that provoke a deeper reaction like you mentioned OP.
Itâs kind of sad to say that from DF I will remember only 3 quest lines:
- The old orc coming to term with his crimes against Dragon kind.
- The old red dragon with the dwarf visage form remembering how all his black dragon mates went psycho overnight and they had to fight to the death.
- The final chapters of the blue dragon flight quest that had the oldest blue dragon fella from Legion finally letting himself die.
Oddly they all seem to relate to an older character⌠Still an improvement from SL where I legit have no memory of any quests.
Bonus round:
Orc and Forsaken heritage quest lines, those felt meaningful. Troll one was a bit weak, really didnât like the Nelf one at all and canât comment on the Draenei one as Iâve not done it yet.
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1000% couldnât agree more
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Completely agree.
It almost feels like Level XX Elite Tauren Chieftain was the soul of WoW made manifest in a weird way.
I greatly miss it, knowing full well that everybody in it is gone.
But at least try to keep the spirit alive?
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Thatâs the problem. For some people itâll never be enough.
For them even a single pink tutu transmog amidst a sea of blood and violence and dark terror would still be too much. Those people donât want balance; they want anything they donât view as ârightâ to be wiped out. I take issue with THAT.
Because realistically DF really didnât do THAT much âcutesyâ stuff. Was it less violent and dark overal? For sure. And Iâm thankful for that; after Shadowlands I really needed that palate cleanser.
So, I hope TWW finds balance. Because I donât want smaller and more emotional stories to disappear. I want there to be big, bombastic badass moments, yes. But I donât want certain thing to be completely erased because some people canât cope with change (or because theyâre not emotionally mature enough).
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I think Dragonflight struck a pretts good balance: There were storylines focused on exploration and adventure, there were a couple cute ones like the Luckyduck thing, there were many emotional ones, often dealing with overcoming past traumas.
There absolutely were banger bombastic fight scenes like Alex vs Raszageth with Wrathion swooping in to help out.
There even was a hint of creepy body horror stuff in Aberrus.
Itâs like you say, this doesnât seem to be about people not getting what they want, but there also being something else. Some people wonât be happy unless it caters to them and only to them Iâm afraid.
Anyway, Iâm happy with the direction things are going in. Excited for what TWW will do!
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Oh sadly, this expansion was my least played ever. I spent more time in Shadowlands.
From things like Whelp Daycare, to new dragon models, and gnolls that head in the Disney direction. The recent Amidrasill Cinematic is the cherry on the top of the cake.
Every quest is some npc with a trauma.
And thatâs leaving aside things like sailor moon and other bizarre transmogs that completely donât fit the game.
This expansion was my first time to mute dialogue, and start skipping cinematics. Iâve never done this before.
They either panicked after Shadowlands, and went in the complete opposite direction, or they donât understand who the audience is.
Either way, itâs a shame. I canât take this game seriously anymore after this expansion, and even Chris Metzen canât fix that.
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Oh hello low level alt with 1 post.
Care to be brave and show us who you really are when you give us your opinion? 
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To be honest if I hadnât muted the dialogues I wouldnât have been able to play it either lol
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