It doesn’t matter. The point is what caused an RP community to collapse, not which forms of griefing exist.
PvP griefing is what made DB collapse, while other RP server didn’t collapse out of griefing (atleast not those I was into - some people claim Sha’tar did, but they came to this realization only several years after the fact, so there’s some reasonable doubt over that story), but because they were drained as players moved to AD or quit the game.
It’s the guy who defended OOCers for 4+ hours on another thread right before OOCers crashed the server and disabled Stormwind for 15+ minutes. What do you expect?
I was in Stormwind and RP’ed fine - I had just 2-3 seconds delay. I also use a laptop and an old rooter, so I’m not top peak efficiency when it comes to connection. I’m going to say maybe you’re not very informed on what happened?
Nah, threads like this didn’t just happened to pop up over night. When you see people being this bitter it might help to think what caused this bitterness. It usually comes down to long periods of exposure to negative behaviours, such as OOC greifing in this case.
Seems like my job here is done, I will be heading out.
See ya !
Fair enough.
I don’t know guys, maybe you should sort out the whole griefing other roleplayers thing before you turn any concern to OOC people.
Don’t think its very welcoming when x guild goes after x guild with planned attacks on Discord because x guild did something wrong during a planned event, sounds much worse than OOC griefing.
I moved to AD from DB because my friends did it before me! I’m guessing one of the main reasons is a snowball effect as retail playerbase got smaller and a lot of servers died!
Griefing is griefing. Doesnt matter what form it takes.
What about the people who couldnt log on?
What is your source for this? Did you play on Sha’tar? Do you know what happen there? Listening to people who came from that server and what they say don’t hold any value now when they say they got griefed plenty there?
How does anything happen? Do you think groups of people just collapse into being as random events
Google it
Because reporting is most automated and utterly ineffective - you need about fifty reports just to get someone a three hour silence. Also I don’t think “just ignore it bro …” is a good response - why are we the ones who have to ignore / forgive / do a PR routine when people come to us specifically to disrupt
The negative attention is already at its effective maximum so nah it’s based instead
Yeah lol imaging advocating for this - Uruk my man do you think you’re the main character of a Disney movie or something
Whataboutism isn’t an argument - you can be against both at once
Just because X is bad doesn’t mean Y is good. Making that point makes me think you’ve run out of dialogue
Lesser, greater, middling!
Whataboutism. It has nothing to do with the current topic and is separate problem.
Tfw your time is limited during the week due to work and other activities but i should tolerate oocers griefing the little time i have for this hobby because they’ll be meaner if i call them out
The absolute mental gymnastics going on here
Never seen anything like that before. Sure there’s RP guilds that hate on each other but intentional griefing? Nahh. In fact, I’ve even seen guilds that hate each other interact because they happened to meet in a random zone out in the open.
There was one matter related aimed at a friend / guildmate but AFAIK it was sorted rather quick between officers of both guilds.
Griefing caused it to collapse.
On pvp servers this took the form of PvP griefing.
On PvE servers it takes the form of mount spamming, constant ooc/say spam on top of RPers.
In both cases it’s the same, OOCers taking their time to purposefully disrupt the RP of the server for their own entertainment. You can’t reasonably argue that it’s completely different because people can’t gank RPers by the by on AD.
PvP events shows us this is false. When people start to flag PvP or enter warmode in come the ooc clowns looking for ganks. Has there been a single RP PvP event on AD that hasn’t had to deal with at least one instance of it? Kinda shoots your “it doesn’t happen” colloquial rubbish dead in the water.
The only thing different about AD is they can’t do this unless you flag, and that the RPers are less tolerant of it in the first place. If these people could gank 24/7 outside of flag I bet you they would, and we’d be straight back to DB.
So no, rolling over is not the solution.
I’m sorry, but a lot of peoples here’s arguments are often doing just that. Is breaking rules set up by the people that make the game the best idea to fight someone else doing it? Not particularly, then it can end up with action on both if they look into it. No ones saying you should be required to tolerate it, people are just saying there’s not much you can do within the scope of the game outside of pushing it in the right direction by trying to get Blizzards attention in the matter.
Remember when Swifty got a perma-ban for crashing a server that one time? Miss those days bros.
And they don’t care. That’s the point
The report system now is even less ineffective than years ago due to how automated it is. Griefers can freely go about their day doing whatever they want and probably won’t get a penalty until later when the damage has been done
should i type the exact same argument that the dragon RPer did before I blocked him, which is "ah but i have never seen it happen so it never did, youre just exaggerating 
" or should I be less obtuse