I guess the title explains itself… but i would like to open a conversation on why and how the man’ari would fit perfectly has an Allied Race.
So to start off i know there are already countless of posts around the forums talking about the Man’ari but many of them are just a "They are cool add them"kinda post, i can’t deny im a big fan but obviusly we can’t just add them to a Faction without at least some decent Lore to tie them together.
So: We all know that the Man’ari where the prime force of the Legion and they have done countless of bad things in all the universe. “dont get me started on listing them… you know ;)” but Lore wise we know that when Kil’jaeden joined the Legion he told the Eredar “Join us or Die” obviusly most of the Eredar escaped with velen but not all of them… and many of them were forced to join the Legion rather to get killed, Infact during the Lock or Rogue class campaign (or probably both) you can find Man’ari characters that are neutral/friendly to us and NOT enemy hinting that not all man’ari are under Sargera’s influence, there are many other ways to see them has fittable Allied race but maybe weaker Ex: With sargeras imprisoned all the man’ari are no longer under his “influence” - A change of heart? - A renegade team of man’ari fighting the legion? or Renegade Man’ari that where stuck somewhere in the galaxy? - The Void is advancing ? - The Light is Advancing? ( AU Draenor Lightbound Crusade + Both Void & Light are timeless) i mean there are countless of Good & Bad reasons on how/why to make them become an Allied Race.
Now to the tough part.
Why would any Faction take them as Allied Race.
Lets start by picking a faction first Horde or Alliance? well i can’t see them joining the alliance due to many reasons first: Ally would end up with 2 “Draeneish Allied Races” - Don’t think Velen would want them to join - Why would ex Members of the legion join a faction with some super infused Void elfs in it? I mean the primary reason why the legion started was to fight the void - Faction balance… Alliance would find themself with Light-Void-Fel powers together… .
Unfortunately there aren’t many STRONG ties for them to join the Horde either but gameplay wise they definetly fit better. (No Draeneish Race in the horde - Void Elves obtaining BE color palettes tecnically has given the alliance full on custom of the Most played horde race… it somewhat feels nice to get a similar treatement " aand yes i know they are High elves but the only difference is in the eyes color"- They can be red!!! )
Story Wise: there aren’t many of course and it mostly depends on the primary reason why they are joining (where they renegade man’ari etc etc) and well its not the first time the Horde welcomes in people that did bad but want to try fixing. (Orcs-Trolls-Be-Forsaken-NB-mag’har) i mean literally all besides a few exeptions . Or probably a possible future major event coming like… Void or Light forcing them to Azeroth seeking help?
And lastly someone could say, Aren’t they stuck on Argus… Thousands of Light speed years from Azeroth? Well don’t forget that Argus was the biggest and main base of the legion… are you seriusly telling me that with all the wrecks they aren’t able to re-build a ship and travel back to azeroth?
So this is my opinion why i can see them becoming an Allied race!
Would love to know your opinion though!
yes, manari would have made much more sense, i’ve been saying it since the end of legion.
the initial allied races should have been:
horde: manari and highmountain taurens
alliance: lightforged dranei and nightborne.
whatever void/light narrative blizz is intent in builduing up for the future expansions could have easily been accomplished without the artificial introduction of void elves as an allied race.
I kinda agree on that… but i feel like adding man’ari right off the bat at the end of legion wasen’t really the most logical thing and about the VE well in the end they added the color palettes so Ally finally got High Elves i guess that was more of a Win in the end.
But i completely agree on man’ari making sense … besides having an incredible Lore they are probably the most requested Allied Race (currently)
While the Introduction of Void elves was bad and out of the blue.
And while both Horde and High elf fans hate us, let’s be real… they are one of my favorite races with a really cool and underrated concept. There is no other Gothy race that comes near Void elves, aside from maybe Undead which is more Punk.
Alliance really needed that race that don’t really belong, but gave a nice diversity to them. A nice Gothy approach. And Void elves were exactly that.
I would totally Play a Red Draenei! I know some people are against models being shared between factions but screw that! We have Pandarens, Void elves, and Nightborne. So I don’t mind seeing the Red Man’Ari In the Horde
A Wrathguard is just a Man’ari serving as a soldier (albait an elite one). The Man’ari are generally the powerhouses of the Legion. A Ghoul is just a Ghoul while a DK is entirely different (including in its creation). Every amateur can raise a Ghoul. Raising a DK the way the player is was exclusive to Ner’zhul, Arthas and Bolvar. A similar version with a different creation method (and powers) were the DKs created by Gul’dan during the second war.
The peak of demonic twisted corruption would probably be KJ actually given how he looked during Sunwell already and how different he was from Archimonde despite Archimonde just being one rank below him.
However i would still enjoy playing a Man’ari Warlock and summon a Wrathguard. Just for the fun of it. Also i dont think the Wrathguard would complain given how freaking polite they are (like jesus, thats not a demon, thats a butler specialized in killing everything you want to see dead. And he will do it with a smile)
and i thought that Wrathguards were “man’ari” but more twisted…
you never stop learning
anyway i would like to remember those that say “Man’ari are tagged has demons”
Forsaken were tagged undead in vanilla at start (i believe) they can always do a swiceroo just like they did with forsaken
I’m very much of the mind if you have to compromise several decided features of what a race is to make them playable, then you may as well make another race playable instead
Man’ari have a few core features:
they’re legion fanatics
they’re eredar
they’re evil
they have a history of razing civilizations
they’re magically gifted
they’re intelligent.
Now, whilst a renegade faction of man’ari does not compromise their being eredar, being magical and being clever, it does compromise those aspects of them that involve them being legion fanboys, being evil, and typically dominating civilisations as opposed to brokering with them.
Thus, if that’s what’s required for them to be added, I ask “is it even man’ari you’re asking for, or a race that just looks like them?”.
Once you divorce man’ari from the legion and being evil, you dilute what it is that makes them what they are.
It also would make no sense for man’ari renegades to harbour enough resentment to hate draenei (which comes from their affiliation with the legion) and yet completely drop those aspects of their legion affiliation that would have them attempt to attack the horde as opposed to join them. It’s inconsistent. Either they’ve abandoned their legion prejudices, or they haven’t.
This is not withstanding the HUGE problems in having the horde accept a race of literal demons. I mean the factions were sceptical to involve demon hunters whom are half-demon beings whom hunt legion on the basis of them using fel, so accepting a race of literal demons that once serve the legion that use fel is a bit of a bold move.
And they’d still have to use fel and have that legion history, because if they don’t, they’re not really man’ari anymore, they’d just be edgey red eredar.
I’m 100% on board with the Horde getting Man’ari, but only on the condition the Alliance get the Broken as an Allied Race (Which they should have, rather than the Lightforged, in the first place).
It sucked when the Horde got playable Mag’har Orcs, but the Alliance didn’t get Broken (They’d been suggested as a pair of races since TBC, as they were the A/H counterparts).
It was more to point out a distinction of the man’ari, is that they’re eredar. Similar to how this is the case for draenei. It’s a distinguishing feature of these races. It’s by no means the most significant. That would be that they are evil eredar affiliated with the legion, both of which would have to be compromised to make them playable.
Which would make them legion exiles, so technically draenei as draenei simply means “exiled ones” in eredun.
Any eredar not affiliated with the main man’ari throng that joined the legion would technically be a form of draenei.
Both Alliance & Horde Accepted DH’s and DK’s. Half Demons & Undead Knights both considered Evil… now im just going to ignore what you posted at the start becouse you made me “WUT” for a moment and my brain stopped working.
I never said that it would be super easy… but its possible just like i said we dont have to necessarily have to use Man’ari prime legion soldiers any renegade or hidden somewhere man’ari would do the trick… now you say that only becouse they aren’t in the legion it would make them automatically “edgy red eredar” Man’ari are Fel infused Eredar… dosen’t matter if they are still working for the legion or not, they are Man’ari.
the horde has playable demon hunters among it’s ranks ( and i’m not even touching warlocks)
demon hunters have several demons and nagas working for them.
therefore the horde already has demons and nagas working for them ( same as the alliance)
yes those manari once served the legion.
and who did the nightborne serve untill we defeated elisande?
and who did those orcs serve back in the day?
being a demon, or serving the burning legion has never been a deal breaker.
said this, playable races are more like individual factions ( trolls are specifically darkspear or zandalari, etc) so it’s perfectly feasible to have one of the manari groups detach and find new allies in the horde, but still showing manari traits (morally flxible, smart, magic users, fel tainted, past as conqueror, are all traits common in the horde)
DKs because they were free of the influence of the Lich King and Tyrion testified to this and Arthas betrayed them with his cannon fodder attempt at lights hope.
DHs was purely out of necessity since we needed forces, and we needed them fast. They were pretty much the equivalent of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” given the DHs sole reason of existence was to kill the legion. So they would need such a scenario again
Their rebellion.
Enslaved puts it better. But yes, the orcs once being part of the burning legion could infact work as a bridge between the man’ari and the Horde.
one can argue that the manari has been lied, manipulated, and basically blackmailed to join the legion.
they have plenty of common points with orcs, it could have been a very nice dinamic.
