Man'ari Eredar Full Customization OR Allied Race

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@Slinks-silvermoon

Redundant comment proving absolutely nothing

You seem to be getting annoyed. Step away from your keyboard and take 10 deep breaths.
Other players will have to in whatever way put up with the ideas should Blizzard impliment them. Odd to have to say the obvious but World of Warcraft is not a solo experience. There could be more people that do not want Manari Eredar as an allied race that those that do want Manari Eredar as an allied race.

@Slinks-silvermoon

and also like the very race you are posting from
but you keep going off on a waffle trying to deflect away from the truth
claiming it’s like comparing grapes to nuclear weapons or some rubbish

Except this is where you are wrong. There is nothing “normal” about the Dark Iron Dwarves at all.
Not our history, Also probably the most pragmatic race but considered “evil” not to mention our mole machines can travel through time and space. We have to keep our Mages from selling the secrets to others.

@Slinks-silvermoon

More waffle
Plenty of incredibly talented members of staff currently at blizzard
If you don’t think so… why you playing ?

Ah have you not been paying attention? Blizzard Entertainment has hired a lot of activists so the World of Warcraft have become Woke. Talks of Chris Metzens return may raise hopes of the player. But as for who is part of the dev team does effect WoW as a whole.

Asmongold Reacts to ex-WoW Streamer MELTDOWN over Blizzard Fans Defending Them

Pyromancer was once one of the biggest lore masters there was. But what happens in the Dev team does impact the game. Yes Blizzard is virtue signalling now. But has WoW gotten better or worse from Shadowlands and onwards?

@Slinks-silvermoon

They have and did. Like I said, you will stop at nothing short of them basically deleting the OP

Not wanting them to delete it. Not the only one to disagree with the OP. WoW is shared among the playerbase. Somethings wont work for others.

@Slinks-silvermoon

No you see…I don’t have to. It isn’t MY IDEA! It was YOUR ridiculous comparison that is nothing to do with me that I made very , very clear I felt it was ridiculous

Okay. So the idea of Murlocs as an Allied race is ridiculous to you.
But Manari Eredar as an Allied race is ridiculous to others. Which is why it does not make sense. Trying to sell Murlocs allied race is easier than trying to sell Manari Eredar.

@Slinks-silvermoon

You aren’t a story writer nor are you employed by Activision Blizzard
Making such statements like this is quite embarrassing

It happened with Dark Iron Dwarves, it could happen for the Man’ari Eredar
and I would LOVE TO SEE IT

Red Eredar Chads for the horde !

oh forgot to mention
I’ll let you in on a little secret…
Blizzard would implement playable dalaran sewer rats if there was a way to make a profit and no amount of lore that opposes it would stop them

Meh there could be private servers for that. but it seems to be pure fan fiction. Manari are Chads? EEWW please don’t go into Goldshire ERP.

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@Torchia-defias-brotherhood

Those who got what they wanted get to enjoy themselves, those who didn’t, back in line. Does not meat you shouldn’t post about what you want, but be prepared to have your requests challenged.

Here in lies the challenge. Some people can not handle their ideas being held to any kind of scrutiny. Which is why they get emotional about it.

@Torchia-defias-brotherhood

I disagree, I think some races have been a waste of a slot, like the vulpera and the robo gnomes, but ok, then let’s call it a line. Nobody wants to be at the back of it and everyone wants to be at the front. Even you can understand that I think. Plenty of people have their opinion to what’s interesting or what isn’t.

Yeah you are correct. MechaGnomes are being widely reported to be a dead race among the playerbase. Some things with MMOs are hit and miss.

[Slinks-silvermoon]

@Moltensage-turalyon

Okay. So the idea of Murlocs as an Allied race is ridiculous to you.
But Manari Eredar as an Allied race is ridiculous to others. Which is why it does not make sense. Trying to sell Murlocs allied race is easier than trying to sell Manari Eredar.

You just aren’t able to keep up on our own very discussion

A wise fox once said…

Farewell

[Imperia-skullcrusher]

@Moltensage-turalyon

Do you need a “gatekeeper” to tell you say for example why Sargeras as High King of the Alliance and Warchief of the Horde will not work?

And i have no idea why you bring up Sargeras into this mix, i litteraly said these man’ari will not be with Sargeras but ok…like really, how do you expect me to have a productive discussion with you when all you bring up is bias over bias over bias?

@Moltensage-turalyon

It is not what he says it is how he says it. Right?

No even what you say is bias, the problem is that you package your bias with arrogance which makes it even worse…you really need to learn how to interact with people on a forums instead of calling them fools.

@Moltensage-turalyon

You talk about headcannon but it is actually the lore. The Eredar was recruited because Sargeras saw their potential. How he recruited them was to bring them over willingly. But Velen with the help of the Naaru saw through Sargeras deception.

And it is the lore that some man’ari were not happy with Sargeras, why dont you accept all sides of the lore? You accept only what suits you and dismiss what dosent, its why you are bias and therefore its why its a waste of time, because you will simply dismiss facts you dont like only to bring up the same things over and over…

@Moltensage-turalyon

The allied race issue can be a double edge sword in the fact that it could erode at the Soul of the Alliance and Horde. Should it be mishandled.

The “soul” of the Alliance and the Horde was broken the moment you got Night elves in the Alliance and Blood elves in the Horde lmao what are you talking about…you gatekeep something that is already dead since tbc !!!

@Moltensage-turalyon

Battle of mount hyjal can’t really be described as an invasion. Nice try though.

What? But they conquered whole of Lordaeron, destroyed dalaran and other pars of Eastern Kingdom what are you tyring to argue about now?!!! Dam it you need some facts because now you are being wrong and not want to admit : " The second invasion [1][2][3][4] refers to the Burning Legion’s second attempt to destroy the world of Azeroth through full-scale military action. Strictly speaking, the term refers to the latter half of the conflict[citation needed] usually called the Third War (specifically, the part of the Third War from Archimonde’s summoning at Dalaran to his fall at Mount Hyjal)," Source : https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Second_invasion

Here, now you say “nice try” while what i say is LORE but its why it is impossible to argue with you, because you play gatekeeper but you refuse to even accept lore facts, you just argue for the sake of argueing and its why i will not continue aruging with you, like really adfmit you are clueless and just move on, i just proved you wrong here.

@Moltensage-turalyon

While some demons make contracts and such with Warlocks they are still more or less connected to the overall Burning Legion.

One day you will bring up sources of what you say, burning Legion is an organization, demons is a race, you are literally confusing both here, and also, i forgot to mention Illidari demons who also are not part of the Legion (they fight agaisnt it!!!).

@Moltensage-turalyon

The curse of undeath is connected to the Scourge. So most Undead are indeed Scourge.

First of, undeads existed way before the scourge was even a thing, second if i follow your reasoning, forsaken are scourge then?

@Moltensage-turalyon

The Manari are what they are because of the Burning Legion. There is no separating them and the legacy of the Burning Legion.

What you say can be exactly said for the Forsaken, its like if i said that the forsaken became what they are because of the scourge, and that there is no separating them from it.

You sound very like, you know…bad person?

@Moltensage-turalyon

checkmates and gotchas are funny in an ongoing discussion.

Well, no, its ongoing because you refuse to accept defeat…even if you look more and more ridiculous each time you get checkmate but still you continue, and still you get checkmates, but keep being in your echo chamber i wont continue argue with you anymore, i gave you a second chance but you blew it!

[Slinks-silvermoon]

Val’zuun is worth noting imo
there is also Illidari Lord Balthas
an illidari Eredar
how interesting

[Imperia-skullcrusher]

Yes and also as i said, Sataiel who is a man’ari who was part of the Legion who chose to overthrow Sargeras himself which shows that demons are very not happy having a boss but yeah, i think these 3 examples Sataiel, Val’zuun and Balthas are all 3 very different in the way they defected the Legion.

[Slinks-silvermoon]

More evidence that , the Man’ari most certainly have quite a few players that would love to see them implemented

1. Allied Race the Man’ari (Red Draenei) - YouTube
2. Eredar - World of Warcraft Lore - YouTube It’s more so in the comments here, including another relatively big household WoW youtuber

[Imperia-skullcrusher]

I actually found an item that debunk the ongoing coments that some ppl made about the fact man’ari and therefore all demons are “burning legion” and “chaotic” this item is from Legion and here it is : https://www.wowhead.com/spell=196483/orb-of-inner-chaos

it says : “Chaos does not come easily to all demons - some struggle with the ways of the Burning Legion. Those that did will often carried an enchanted orb that invoked the rage required of any good demon. It is not known how the orbs were made, or who made them.”

THIS shows that demons are not all nartualy driven by chaos!

[Kentarro-argent-dawn]

@Imperia-skullcrusher

I actually found an item

@Kentarro-argent-dawn

Archeologival evidence suggest the Legion even needed orbs to “indoctrinate” Demons to follow Sargeras" vision
The Eredar are/were not a hive mind, easly could be members who regreted the whole thing - like basically Kil’jaden at the end, but he was too far to turn back (or some of the Exiled Ones who started to wonder, maybe the Naaru pulled a dirty on us, and the other Eredar were right)
But the “lesser” Eredar? Cogs in the infernal machine

Beat you too it

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@Imperia-skullcrusher

And i have no idea why you bring up Sargeras into this mix, i litteraly said these man’ari will not be with Sargeras but ok…like really, how do you expect me to have a productive discussion with you when all you bring up is bias over bias over bias?

The entire problem that you have is that you are adverserial to those that have a different opinion than you.
Blizzard Entertainment can make mistakes and have done so before. One example is Sylvannas redemption story. It damaged almost 20 years of story writing and character development.

Some things do not make sense. Manari have always been evil. The Eredar are actually a very powerful - capable - resourceful race. Which is why Sargeras needed them in the Burning Legion in the first place. So with a race as Evil as the Manari. It would not make sense to have them back in power.

When world after world species after species were left to the mercy of the Manari they received no Mercy. People should stick with what we know. Should the player have played through the quests in Legion High mountain.
The Warbraves Oro that was killed by Dagrul the Underking by the hammer of Kaz’goroth the pillar of creation. When you meet him in Bastion during Shadowlands he remembers the player and remembers his death.

With Shadowlands opening up the realms of the dead. The Alliance and Horde can learn from the victims of the Burning Legion accounts of the Manari. I believe some in Ardenweald do not want to be reincarnated because there is nothing for them to return to, their world is gone.

@Imperia-skullcrusher

And it is the lore that some man’ari were not happy with Sargeras, why dont you accept all sides of the lore? You accept only what suits you and dismiss what dosent, its why you are bias and therefore its why its a waste of time, because you will simply dismiss facts you dont like only to bring up the same things over and over…

It does not matter if the Manari were happy with Sargeras or not. Many demons were not happy with Sargeras. But since he is an overwhelming power that is more than a figurehead what he says goes. That is it. Like a King or a tyrant whose word is law. There was no real means to oppose him.

@Imperia-skullcrusher

The “soul” of the Alliance and the Horde was broken the moment you got Night elves in the Alliance and Blood elves in the Horde lmao what are you talking about…you gatekeep something that is already dead since tbc !!!

The Allied race has no breaks. With people posing things that are more fan fiction than actual credible things that moves it forward. If Blizzard capitulated to all of the demands. Then the Alliance and Horde will have thousands of allied races as people around the world would cram each and every race THEY want to play regardless of it makes sense or not.

Like Murlocs in the Alliance or Horde as an allied races.
I really do not know how much more simply I can spell it out for you.

Yes. Battle of Mount Hyjal is just a battle. The Burning Legion is a massive organisation and universe level threat. So a small force could be seen as a full scale invasion.

@Imperia-skullcrusher

One day you will bring up sources of what you say, burning Legion is an organization, demons is a race, you are literally confusing both here, and also, i forgot to mention Illidari demons who also are not part of the Legion (they fight agaisnt it!!!).

Technically the Illidari themselves are not demons. They seal demons into their bodies. Can you admit when you’re incorrect? The “demon within” constantly tries to take over the host so it is an ongoing struggle for control.

@Imperia-skullcrusher

First of, undeads existed way before the scourge was even a thing, second if i follow your reasoning, forsaken are scourge then?

Now you are splitting hairs. Which one came first the chicken or the egg. is that it? constantly shifting the goalposts. But yes the Forsaken are very much Scourge. The scourge was meant to weaken Azeroth an effective weapon of the Manari Burning Legion. Garrosh Hellscream even asked in Silverpine Forest to Syvlannas. “What difference is their between you and the Lich King now?” Only for Sylvannas to follow in Arthas footsteps.

@Imperia-skullcrusher

What you say can be exactly said for the Forsaken, its like if i said that the forsaken became what they are because of the scourge, and that there is no separating them from it.

You sound very like, you know…bad person?

Well yes. The Forsaken are very much like the scourge. Including how they force Undeath on to others. The difference is the Forsaken have excuses and justify it. Whereas the Scourge won’t come up with those things.
Funny line of reasoning. Anybody that disagrees with you are bad people.

@Imperia-skullcrusher

Well, no, its ongoing because you refuse to accept defeat…even if you look more and more ridiculous each time you get checkmate but still you continue, and still you get checkmates, but keep being in your echo chamber i wont continue argue with you anymore, i gave you a second chance but you blew it!

You are being ruled by your emotions. People in echo chambers will not engage in conversations or interact with those that disagree with them.
You have already established an “Us vs Them” mentality and use ad hominem - shifting the goalposts and other things.

[Imperia-skullcrusher]

@Moltensage-turalyon

Yes. Battle of Mount Hyjal is just a battle. The Burning Legion is a massive organisation and universe level threat. So a small force could be seen as a full scale invasion.

Its a Battle that is part of a war called the Third War, this Battle pout an end to the 2nd Legion Invasion, which started when Archimonde was summoned in Dalaran by Kel’thuzad. That is LORE i dont even know why you still argue agaisnt this btw…

@Kentarro-argent-dawn

Beat you too it

Damm!!! The thing is, i did read that post but i was confused what you talked about on it! Now i know!

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@Imperia-skullcrusher

Its a Battle that is part of a war called the Third War, this Battle pout an end to the 2nd Legion Invasion, which started when Archimonde was summoned in Dalaran by Kel’thuzad. That is LORE i dont even know why you still argue agaisnt this btw…

You are still incorrect. The Battle of Mount Hyjal did happen it is in the lore and in the game. But an incursion is not an invasion. By your logic when Kijaedden popped up in the Sunwell THAT was a Burning Legion invasion.
Except it is not, just one Manari that was flushed down the magic toilet Sunwell thingy.
When Archimonde came through the portal in Hellfire Citadel. Was that a Burning Legion invasion?
Nope. Just dealing with another Manari. But as Lieutenants of the Burning Legion and the Right and Left hands of Sargeras they are no ordinary Manari.

@Imperia-skullcrusher

Yes and also as i said, Sataiel who is a man’ari who was part of the Legion who chose to overthrow Sargeras himself which shows that demons are very not happy having a boss but yeah, i think these 3 examples Sataiel, Val’zuun and Balthas are all 3 very different in the way they defected the Legion.

I will explain it this way. It is not that there are not Manari that disagreed with and even opposed Sargeras. But that they are completely irrelevant.
The demons opposed the Titans when Sargeras was once a being of order. Despite his battles and victories in slaying and imprisoning them.

The reason why Broxxigar the Red the brother of Varok Saurfang is such a legend is because of Sargeras. Yes he made a lot of achievements in the War of the Ancients. But it was the fact that Broxxigar used the Axe of Cenarious to strike Sargeras.
Yes it was just a scratch. But the Orc landed a blow. Needless to say he was easily slain by Sargeras after.

If a mere Orc could defeat Sargeras then the significantly more powerful demons would have slain Sargeras long before he was tainted and changed by the Fel.
That is to say that before an entity like Sargeras Capitulation is the only thing that can be done unless you can actually oppose him.

The greater danger would be from other Manari. That either are fine with Sargeras rule. or don’t wont to share the fate of the Draenai.
It does not matter if they were happy with Sargeras or not. Sargeras was to be obeyed. An existing whose rule is absolute. Do not forget that before Nerzhul former Warchief of the Horde became the soul of the Helm of Domination. His soul was the plaything of the Burning Legion tortured until they got bored.

You deceive others with your misunderstanding of the Lore.
The Burning Legion was always an ongoing antagonist with nefarious plans. Not everything they do can be counted as an invasion. The War of the Ancients? Yes. The Legion expansion? Yes.

You could call what I mentioned “head cannon” or just in universe lore.

[Imperia-skullcrusher]

@Moltensage-turalyon

You are still incorrect. The Battle of Mount Hyjal did happen it is in the lore and in the game. But an incursion is not an invasion. By your logic when Kijaedden popped up in the Sunwell THAT was a Burning Legion invasion.

I litteraly linked you wowpedia which said that the 3rd war was the 2nd invasion of the Burning Legion, what you fail to understand there? At some point you will have to admit you are wrong you know? Because really, you are being ridiculous here, you claim that the wowpedia which use sournces from the game are 'incorrect" …

@Moltensage-turalyon

You deceive others with your misunderstanding of the Lore.
The Burning Legion was always an ongoing antagonist with nefarious plans. Not everything they do can be counted as an invasion. The War of the Ancients? Yes. The Legion expansion? Yes.

Its not my missunderstanding of the lore, it is what the devs themselves said and it is war3 story…the fact you say i “decieve” anyone is fallacy…like i even gave you the sources that state that the 3rd war aka warcraft 3 is the 2nd legion invasion i dont even know how you can still argue that its me who miss understand lore, like what? ><

@Moltensage-turalyon

You could call what I mentioned “head cannon” or just in universe lore.

Thats what you are doing since the start of where you are on this thread, we bring you facts and evidences and you respond with headcanon and bias and fakes things, please why dont you accept its time to stop? Like you keep argueing to say fallacies over fallacies and when people do not wish to talk with you anymore since it is a waste of time considering you always have more fallacies in store you then beg peoples to care about wat you say…

[Elizabethii-amnennar]

Hey, cool concept, i am very looking forward to see this added into the game!

[Ateshstrasz-drekthar]

I would like to give my opinion on the topic and several points that the author raised.

1 - Would the Man’ari be a good allied race: Firstly, the question does not apply to me. Blizzard could decide to release any race with whatever justification they want. The race would be interesting with different customization options from the Draenei, and I could see a comparison between the Night Elf and the Nightborne here.

2 - Why an allied race instead of a simple customization? I have never appreciated the concept of simple customization when it comes to a “faction” of the same race. We end up with Bronzebeard dwarves with Wildhammer tattoos, Blood Elves with blue eyes without any explanation, and troll clans reduced to just customization options. The problem goes further, a simple customization means no specific heritage armor. Take the Kul Tiran humans, for example. Do you really see them as just a human customization, walking around with the Lion’s Guard armor? It’s the fate of the Wildhammer dwarves who have to settle for Bronzebeard armor, and it’s sad. And of course, there’s no need to develop the problem of passive abilities further. We have the perfect example with the “high elf” customization option for Void Elves, which makes no sense with the Void-related passive abilities.

3 - Why join the Horde? Yes, they have a history with the orcs, but what about the Blood Elves who are friends with trolls? As I said earlier, if Blizzard wants to find a reason, they will find one. It’s certainly not a historical one that will stop them. As for the faction choice, if we take the example of other races, those directly linked to the Burning Legion and the use of dark magic are clearly not appreciated and rejected immediately by the Alliance. The Man’ari could make friends with the fel-crystal sniffers.

[Androsobi-kazzak]

sounds/looks cool. I would love that!

[Androsobi-kazzak]

I would love to have at least more customization options for draenei!

[Evángelina-bladefist]

I really hope they be an allied race and not just a customization for Draenei, I was so sad when this happened for the High Elves.

[Slinks-silvermoon]

Well guys
With Warlocks being available to all races now, including Lightforged Draenei
There really isn’t anything in the way of Man’ari becoming an Allied Race, or at the barest minimum, a customisation option

[Konstantino-celebras]

@Slinks-silvermoon

With Warlocks being available to all races now, including Lightforged Draenei

which is Fake News. Can you please stop telling lies. The class they made available to everyone where Rogues, Mages and Priests. Warlock is still unavailable to classes it makes no sense having him including (Lightforged) Draenei.