Man'ari Eredar Full Customization OR Allied Race

this arguement has been decided long ago with Classic as Forsaken priests originally only had the shadow spec available.
It was later on decided that even though it makes sense lorewise, its undesirable and inexcusable from a gameplay fairness perspective.

Priests have both access to a void spec and a light spec.
If there’s a very light oriented race that has priests, most of them are going to be light oriented storywise, that doesn’t mean that blizzard is going to cut away a third of their playstyle options.
If there’s a very void oriented race that has priests, most of them are going to be shadow oriented storywise, that doesn’t mean blizzard is going to cut away two thirds (disc and holy) of their playstyle options.

Priests simpy have a void and shadow element too them, so any race with access to light has priests and so does races with ties to void. In the lore there’s no holy priests who also use void and vice versa.

Now as for the Men’ari eredar, I think they’re going to defel them through a questline, the ones we’re going to play atleast. If you look at their hooves and hands they don’t have those fel markings, implying they’ve been cleansed somehow or no longer under influence of the legion.

Like orcs who kept their green skin and blood elves who kept their green eyes even after stepping away from fel, these Eredar are likely retaining the visual mutations caused by the exposure to fel but will otherwise likely be Draenei in the same way that Blood Elves are High Elves (minor mutation caused by exposure to fel)

Tldr they won’t be actual legion eredar
It will be jarring if they give us the appearances as is without any ingame explanation (again the fel stuff from around wrists and hands is missing that’s not an accident)

You literaly come 3 weeks too late to write this post, not to mention that i already answer to all these points in the OP.

To me they would have been a good addition to the Horde to give them the draenai rig without making a 3rd race with it in the Alliance because to me (and i still think so but well too late now) the Man’ari had to be a complete allied race to be fully in their themes and it would have been logical for pvp as well as in the lore that they go with the blood elves (remember that man’ari eredar in bloodmyst isl that directed the blood elves agaisnt the draenai?)

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Simply fabulous darling!

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There we go.

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So the moment I saw this in news, I couldn’t believe that it’s actually happening, the butchery of lore just keeps on going. But hey, Alliance players are happy and they are the loudest at cheering up of this good change, because hell, why wouldn’t they? They just got a new sick skin for Warlock Draenei’s, haha. I’d also disregard everything, if the Void Elves were a skin for Belfs, because they’d just look too good. While I do see the reasons for Void elf being a new race, cause of Alleria, I can’t see any valid point as to why Eredar can’t get same treatment and belong to the horde. Obviously, they are not a peaceful ‘people’ and it doesn’t make them automatically Horde, but at the very least it makes more sense, cause Horde tends to play more dirty. That is my interpretation of the game of course :slight_smile:
So while it’s clear for me that they do not belong to the alliance, I decided to make a small experiment. I asked ChatGPT what is it’s take on the matter, cause I know, it won’t be biased.

There is a race in WoW called Draenei and there are also Eredars, the Man’ari. Can you help me decide if they are the same race or not?

The Draenei and the Eredar are indeed related, but they are not the same race. The Eredar were originally a highly advanced and powerful race from the planet Argus. Three leaders stood out among the Eredar: Archimonde, Kil’jaeden, and Velen.

1. Archimonde and Kil’jaeden: These two Eredar leaders were approached by the fallen titan Sargeras, who offered them incredible power and knowledge in exchange for their loyalty. They agreed, and as a result, they became part of the Burning Legion, a malevolent force seeking to destroy all life in the universe.

2. Velen and the Draenei: Velen, the third Eredar leader, had a vision of the dark future that awaited his people under the influence of the Burning Legion. He refused to join Sargeras and the Burning Legion and, along with a group of like-minded Eredar, managed to escape from Argus aboard a magical vessel called the Exodar. This group became known as the Draenei, which means “exiled ones” in their language.

So, while both the Draenei and the Eredar share a common origin as Eredar on the planet Argus, they diverged into separate factions due to their different choices and alliances. The Eredar became the demonic Man’ari and joined the ranks of the Burning Legion, while the Draenei sought to resist the Legion’s corruption and embraced the path of the Light and the Naaru.

It’s important to note that the Draenei are a playable Alliance race in World of Warcraft, whereas the Man’ari are powerful demonic beings primarily seen as antagonists throughout the game’s lore.

Cool, thanks. If I were to ask your hypothetical question of whom do you think Eredar’s should join, would it be the alliance or the horde?

As an AI language model, I don’t have personal opinions or preferences. However, I can provide some insight into the lore-related reasons that could influence the decision of which faction the Eredar might join if they were to become a playable race in World of Warcraft.

1. Alliance: Given that the Draenei, who are closely related to the Eredar, are already part of the Alliance, the Eredar might find a sense of kinship and shared history with the Alliance. The Alliance values virtues such as honor, bravery, and compassion, which might resonate with the Eredar who seek redemption and wish to distance themselves from the evil deeds of their Man’ari brethren.

2. Horde: On the other hand, the Horde has historically been more open to accepting diverse races, including those that were once considered enemies. If the Eredar were to demonstrate their desire for redemption and their willingness to fight against the Burning Legion and other dark forces, the Horde might be more accepting of them, despite their dark past.

Ultimately, the decision would depend on the specific narrative direction that Blizzard Entertainment, the developers of World of Warcraft, would want to take. They would need to carefully consider the lore, the impact on gameplay balance, and the overall story they want to tell when introducing a new playable race to either faction.

As of my last update in September 2021, the Eredar were not a playable race for either faction. It’s possible that developments have occurred in the game’s lore beyond that point. I recommend checking official World of Warcraft sources for the most up-to-date information on this topic.

Blizzard did in fact add Eredar, but they are not a new race, they are only a skin option for the existing Draenei. Do you think it’s a good solution? Given the fact that Eredar are clearly not Draenei anymore?

Adding Eredar as a skin option for the existing Draenei is an interesting approach from a gameplay perspective, as it allows players to have more customization options for their characters. Players who have a fondness for the Eredar lore or prefer the appearance of Eredar over the traditional Draenei might appreciate this addition.

On the other hand, from a lore perspective, it can be a bit controversial. The Eredar and the Draenei are distinct factions with different histories and allegiances. The Eredar are associated with the Burning Legion and demonic powers, while the Draenei have fought against the Burning Legion and aligned themselves with the Alliance.

By offering the Eredar skin option for the Draenei, it blurs the lines between the two races and might lead to some inconsistencies in role-playing or storytelling aspects. It may not sit well with players who value the lore and immersion of the game. Some players might prefer more distinct races with unique starting zones, racial abilities, and deeper lore backgrounds.

Ultimately, whether it’s a good solution or not depends on the player’s perspective. It allows for more customization options, but it might sacrifice some of the narrative consistency and identity that comes with unique races. Game developers often have to balance gameplay choices and lore accuracy when making decisions like these, and player feedback plays a crucial role in shaping future updates and expansions.

Eredar and Draeneis were the same people before Sargeras came. The Draenei are nothing more than a faction of exiled uncorrupted Eredar. I can think of examples of demonic Eredar being redeemed using light or other methods. Many Draenei may have loved ones who were forcibly turned into demons just like Velen’s own son, and would be willing to get them back.

So for me, the Draenei trying to redeem as many Man’ari eredar as possible makes a lot of sense.

This question is not well formulated. The Draenei have never ceased to be eredar. Most of the Eredar don’t are Draeneis, because Draenei means “Exiles”, therefore only the faction that fled from Argus are Draenei.

Another case of alliance bias. Meanwhile Orcs still don’t have access to the Dragonmaw options as customization.

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Indeed
It is just the case of the Blood Elves-High Elves thing
Draenei is just a name, “Exiled Ones” THEY give themselves
While started to call the rest “Man’ari” , an Eredun term that translates to “unnatural beings, something that is hideously and fundamentally wrong” - a racial slurr basically
While many Eredar took up the name with pride (wouldn’t made much sense to call tehmselves something that negative), most of them still calls themselves Eredar (but interestingly, in a sense respect the Draenei’s choice and call them Draenei)
The Erederar never really exiled Velen’s followers, they exiled themselves when Veled decided the two other members of the Triumvirate made a mistake, like the majority of their race and sided with Sargeras and bailed out on them with his followers (personality cult in a senese, the Draenei revere their Prophet, but Light worship was never the part of their culture, the Draenei picked that later, devoting themselves to their saviours)
It is really the Quel’dorei/High Elf situation
The term Sin’dorei is just a name, nothing more, genetically, socially, basically by all means they are High Elves just rebranded themselves
Similarly the Draenei are Eredar, just renamed themselves

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Care to share?

I think whats the problem here, is that people use the term eredar pour dire man’ari, but in truth, both man’ari and draenai are eredars.

None of the draenai or the man’ari are actually the Eredars of old as both turned into something different by worshipping different things they did not worship back in the time when they were the eredars.

On one hand you have the Man’ari, (only draenai call them this they call themeslves eredars but in turht they are different now, demonic)

On one side you have the draenai who worship the Light which they did not before, however they are more closer to what the eredar was than the man’ari.

The actual draenai counterpart of the Man’ari would be the LF draenai imo who instead of being reforged by fel became reforged by Light.

It was my original idea and i agree with you.

I must say i am also curious to know because i dont know any man’ari who got that.

I think I expressed myself badly. I meant that they could be redeemed, for example, by using light, like they did with that Dreadlord (though I doubt the dreadlord has truly redeemed himself, given the nature of these.).

Thing is, if they “redeem” themselves by the Light, they become Lightforged draenai =p

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You can put them yellow eyes, if you see the new textures xD

However, there will be a questline explaining it. They do not add the textures without more

Welp, Man’ari are added as customization, not as an allied race, to the surprise of… well it definitely doesn’t surprise me.

And before anyone wants to argue, let me at least explain myself.

Allied races were basically a Blizzard scam. They promised what would eventually be reskins or slight remodels of existing races, as a bunch of new long awaited races just to get people to sub.

Yes there are some highlights like Nightborne or Zandalari who probably had enough people who wanted them, or vulpera who are unique enough despite being remodeled goblins with new animations. And let us not forget that even those barely had any customization on release, to highlight their fast and cheap creation.

For the most part though, people probably expected stuff like ogres and broken draenei. Instead, Blizzard gave us reskins of draenei, tauren, orcs, dwarves and gnomes, void elves that they pretty much invented on the spot, and humans that are bigger than draenei for no apparent reason.

Nowadays the character creation screen is littered with duplicate races that offer no substantial difference in either looks or lore.

And wanting more allied races? Well that’s just a monkey’s paw waiting to grant yor wish. Blizzard never intended allied races to be good, they were just a ploy to make a quick buck off a reskin, the kind you mostly see on free to play mobile games.

So let us keep the space for additional races on the creation screen open for actual new, never before added races.

Thought you already explained yourself before in your previous post !

But anyway, you are just kicking a wounded person already on the ground at this point which i find a bit pointless…

Like mogu, tuskars and broken?

Thanks a lot mate!!! Thought its not 100% what i wanted, it is better than nothing (now that it is out i can take this stance)

Corporate needs you to find the difference in those pictures:

Blizzard:

They are the same picture

Man’ari, lightforged draenei and draenei have one thing in common: they are all eredar originally and got altered. Man’ari only call themselves eredar, because they think they are the “truest” to their origin to feel superior

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Only the Lightforged and man’ari are altered. Draenei are the only remaining eredar that haven’t been changed due to magic.

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Thread got re-purposed and updated to match the new demands that i and other people have since the reveal of the new man’ari customization.

Mianyaue?

Old Gods I want this so bad.