Man'ari Eredar Full Customization OR Allied Race

Oh, I disagree. Depends on how they created the original texture. If they created as a black-white color texture, they can simply use a color gradient function to convert the texture to whatever color they want to use without having to re-paint it at all.

It will be interesting to play the questline though as I assume these will be redeemed Man’ari…then it would make sense if they were abit washed out or less fel infused.

To me i find this arguement of “vulperas are goblins in fur suit” complete bias, its literaly like narrowing the point in purpose until you make yourself so narrowed that your thought proces is that of an brick or something on purpose.

Vulperas have nothing to do with goblins other than using the same rig, and even so, they have extra animations like the flip when they jump that goblins dont do.

Calling vulperas “sub-race” of goblins would make no dam sense, i can understand how man’ari can be considered a sub-race of draenai because no matter how you put it, both are eredars, but vulperas have no connection whatsoever with goblins…

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Indeed
Calling a race of its own right something like that is the best way to lose any credibility one could have in discussions and arguments regarding races
Taking seriously or not outright ignoring anything after that is quite rare

If you read back you can see I was responding to somebody who stated that Vulpera were the only race that counted coz the others were just reskins.
I was making a facetious point that you could actually say that about most of the races.
Obviously Vulpera arent Goblins.
Im happy to see more races added where it makes sense (like Vulpera or Tuskaar…still hoping!!LOL) but most new ‘races’ can be added as customisations.

Also still hoping for Gilblins to be playable, just need some new skin tones and ears, a quick mini quest back to Nazjatar and ta-daaaah! :laughing:

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But that person is right because:

Zandalari trolls = still trolls
Lf draenai = still draenai/eredar
Nightborns = still night elves
Kul tirans HUMANS = still humans
mecha gnomes = still gnomes
HM tauren = still taurens
mag’har orcs = still orcs
void elves = still blood elves (nope they are not high elves in lore but blood elves who took upon void)
Dark iron dwarfs = still dwarfs

Meanwhile vulperas =/= goblins.

Thats the whole actual point here; you just try to ignore it.

What do you call “new races” ?

New ‘races’ to me would be things like Man’ari, dark rangers, etc. Essentially most of the old Allied races like Mag’har orcs, Void Elves.
A new race would be like Vulpera or Tuskaar (please, please, please!).

I think Allied Races was a nice selling point but it doesnt make sense to keep doing it when a simple questline and new customisation can work just as well.
You cant keep adding more and more Allied Races to the character selection screen without it getting ridiculous…you can add hundreds of new ‘races’ as options for current races though.

But but but… Blood elves ARE high elves.
Just with an edgy name!

These are essentially just draenei.

That’s a class or a calling or a job. Not a race.

But I do think that several of the allied races could/should just be merged with their ‘original’ race and be made into customization. It’s a bit weird with racial starting areas, but I personally wouldn’t mind.

Thats why I used ‘race’ in inverted commas! :wink:

There are so many different options you can add, wether thats a race, clan, career, etc…
Take Forsaken for example. Wouldnt it be great to have the option of different races, skeletal, light or banshee Forsaken?
Plus its great for expansions if you can add new options throughout as easy content drops, and if they dont make sense to add to racial starting zones them ban 'em to Exiles Reach!!LOL

With some Drust genes that causes them to have gigantism, but yes xD

If they are just gonna paint eredar red, what stops them from just painting orcs red? Fel Orcs when?

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I’m not sure there were many fel orcs left in Outland. Man’ari eredars on the other hand, there is an entire planet full of them, of which we only visited a small part.

No they are not, and you saying man’ari are “just draenai” is exactly as silly as saying blood elves are high elves with just an edgy name.

In the “technical” term (by technical term i mean "how they in the game in a gameplay sense) they are the same with different names/skin colors but in the Lore they are not.

Now that is the problem here, and i will also answer to this too :

They dont work “just as well” again, you can tell me that “its the same” and again in term of technicity it is, but it will inevitably harm the lore and immersion in the long run and i will explain you why :

The man’ari the fact that they can be shamans, the fact that they can be classes that are not meant to be for man’ari, will eventually harm their lore in the long run because, since blizz generate npc with randome generator, you will evnetually see in due time paladin drenai npc with red skin that will tell you how the Light is awesome, just like you see blood elves with blue eyes telling you how the fel is great.

The fact that there is no separations at all with the customization regarding their original races, is a problem, because if you go about and say “ok so its “new race” because look draenai can now be man’ari” the problem is that, in time they will not be man’ari but “red draenai” and wont have any developement watsover because they wont be separated from the draenai in any way, since they are the same race in the gameplay pov.

That is the problem here, that is why allied races were good. And claiming that “it is aweosme to get new races with new csutomizations” is only seeing the tip of the iceberg and being blind to how it will eventually go.

You have the same problem with classe/races combos such a mag’har and lf draenai warlock that blizz did not even bother explain into their lore.

Please, i had this discussion on other website and no its not true, there is no lore explaiantion why the kul tirans allied races look bigger and bulkier than other humans, there is no explaiantions such as “drust genetic” you are just tyring to explain a body type with lore while its irelevant, imagine if irl we would say the same that all ppl that are bulkier have some other animal genetic or somehting that just makes no sense.

You have no sources to claim this, you just are mindwashed by the fact all the humans look the same in the game because duh its a game from 2004 so body type were not a thing, but dont tell me that you actually believe all the dam humans in stormwind have the same size, the same muscles ratio and all the same shape…that just make no sense. And we saw many times in artworks that they dont have all the same bodies.

Another point to debunk your claim is the fact that, most kul tirans npc you see dont use the playable kul tiran model, look at Katherin, look at Flynn, look at Daelin, Derek, etc they dont use that body type, even Lord and Lady Waycrest dont use it, as well as lord stormsong…

So yeah please dont use that arguement on me, its headcanon.

Now that we got man’ari, yes this could be possible.

There is, when you do drustvar quest and the last thornspeaker drust told his people mixed with human society.

Are you going to tell me that a human larger than an orc, almost the size of a tauren, is just a normal human? :man_facepalming: :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

https://i.imgur.com/dZCZpK5.png

Because not every human in kultiras got that genes. Only a few drust joined in human society after the war.

You had this discussion with people which I don’t even know because it is very simple, more people came to the same conclusion after talking with Ulfar.

Coincidentally, when you see the visions of the past between the Drust and Human war, there were still none of these giant humans.

The tracks are very clear.

It’s a problem for you. But many people just don’t care; they simply want red skins because ‘cool’.

Which is fine imo. I think that is more realistic and immersive than every Man’ari be the same copy paste character who all think, feel and act the same.
People are not all the same in life and they shouldn’t all be the same ingame either imo.

Except in WoW there’s ACTUAL magic and stuff like that DOES happen. In the context of WoW it makes sense.

It’s obvious by now that Blizz are pushing for “Every race can be every class”, so trotting out combinations that make no sense as argument to make Man’ari a separate race doesn’t really work any more.

You do know that irl you have humans that are from differents parts of the worlds that are average taller and smaller than others right? You do realize that for some parts of the world being 2 meters tall is “normal” ? Or you just narrow your mind so much that you think its because their genetics mixxed with some other creatures?

What i mean, is one : Go find me the exact moment when that thornspeaker guy said that kul tirans mixxed with drust, second, its not because he said “ho yeah our ppl mixxed with humans” that it means “its why they look taller and bulkier” because here you are making a big shortcut, and 3rd, explains then to me why there is 90% of humans in Kul tiras that dont have that body size, and also you will go along and tell me that if you have more skiny humans it is because they mixxed with k’thir or some other non sense?

So yeah, you might have proof that they mixxed, now to say that its because they mixxed that they look different is just a big shortcut that have not its place here.

Again sources, and second, ho but you see, actually can you explain to me, then, since drust are ine drustvar, you would then logically think that it would be the humans in drusvar being most likely to have this particular skin shape right? Ho yeah lady Ashevane is not from drustvar…too bad! So no your logic just crumble on its own.

Because people like you are clueless about how genetics works? Yeah thats my point you cant decently tell me that there is different human body shape because they mixxed with another non human race thats just plein silly and trying again to say “all humans look same and if they look different it is because they might have mixxed with somethng else”, also let me show you something : https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/92219-gerald-green.jpg

So by your logic this guy got drust genetic right? lmao

Then they wont be allowed to complain when they will see that the story of the race they play and love go straight to the wall and is not even evolved anymore because blizz gave them “what they wanted” and you can already see that with the night elf heritage armor that everyone hates because it is pointless.

You know that taking up the fel makes you unable to call upon some opposite forces right? Do you know about Alleria and Turalyon not even being able to touche each other because they are touched by opposite forces? So no your logic dont work here.

So you shot yourself in your own foot here, firstly you dismiss the fact that we are in an universe with magic that have its rules like having 2 opposites forces not working together and causing a repulsion effect, but in the same time you go about and tell me the magic arguement to justify that all humans look the same and if they dont “its because of magic lul” no mate dont work that way you either accept the rules or you reject it, but you dont cherry pick them.

The fact they are pushing in this direction dont mean that it magically makes sense speficially when they dont even try to make any sense out of it or give a bs explaiantion that indead makes no sense like the lf draenai warlock who is literaly forged by the Light and fought the Legion for millenia and fel for millenia and was like “ho you know fel magic is not that bad after all” do you people dont understand that when you are reforged in a cosmics forces it actually makes your mind indirectly washed by it? Like demons are uncontrolably drawn to consume magic and essences to survive because duh its how demon feed!!! ya know?

So yeah, the “ho but blizz is already making non sense so its fine” arguement is just not good…and also, reminds me what “mag’har” means in orcish? ho yeah it means “uncorrupted” meaning “no fel allowed” so you will tell me that playing an uncorrupted warlock that literaly use a magic that is 100% corrupting everything is making any sense because “blizz opened to all classes!” the problem is that here you have a gameplay element that was given for the sake of players that is eventually harming the lore of a race, because how can you still take seriously the mag’har intro cineamtic when you play a mag’har warlock and you have the voice saying “we are uncrorrupted, we are mag’har!!!” like its just so dumb =p

Saying a mag’har warlock or a lf draenai warlock is literaly like saying “a wet fire” or “an hot ice” its a literal division by zero…but he blizz said it exist even if the whole plot point of the race is not for it to exist i guess if you brute force the lore for gameplay everythings possible right?

Do you know no where in the world we got people of 2.50 and 200kg of brute force?

The Si-Te-Cah, the legendary tribe of vicious, cannibalistic red-haired giants of the Paiute oral history in Nevada kind of fits that description tho’
“Legendary” with a grain of salt, because some remains were found in the Lovelock Cave

There is no scientific evidence of any race of giant humans in real life. As you said, is just a Legend.