Man'ari Eredar Full Customization OR Allied Race

Yet they made several blog posts at the time highlighting the animation details of mobs.

Like you say, something people wouldn’t really notice, because it’s not really important to the overall enjoyment of the game.

Sure animation is great, we don’t want 2D cardboard cut outs as NPC. But what’s 5 less animators and 5 more developers or testers? Thats not going to hurt the Artwork too much, but will help the game.

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Cosmetics is Development btw…and what you say is mostly shwoing you are clueless in how a game is actually made, you have different teams that work on many different things, its not because you invest ressources/time in another thing that it will be better or have more. Ressources is not the main problem to develop a game, time is the main one.

Claiming again and again, you think you know what the player base want but you mostly care only about what YOU as a player want, and you believe follishly that most of the players want the same which is wrong.

Its why most of your arguements are bland because you trhow them as if you held the truth and say “the game” dont need this or “the players” dont need this while 1 you are not a dev, you dont have a clue about what the game actually need, you simply put what YOU think it needs, but it stay YOUR opinion, but you never say it in that way you always say it as if it was factual while its not. And 2nd you are ONE type of player (mm+ pve average player) and so your pov is just that, and you ignore that there is other types of players in that game.

So all in all, stop throwing up your opinion as if it was factual, because its mostly the problem here. You DONT know what makes an mmo great.

But will nobody think of Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race???

Is it though? Its more Art than development.

Sure if a cosmetic was part of a reward for a feature of the game, then yes it might fall under the flag of development, loosely.

My arguments are bland, because I’m not really interested enough in this topic to be discussing any of your points beyond “No we don’t need any more Races right now, especially this one”.

Whereas you have thought this topic through quite deeply. Myself, don’t really care for it. Which is again why I say “No we don’t need any more Races, especially this one.”

It’s your failure to realise that other players have other priorities in the game, that you feel the need to keep responding to a guy that just wants to express his opinion that the game doesn’t need any more new Races, which is why I’m seemingly becoming “bland” with my responses.

I simply don’t care. I just don’t think the game needs this.

Just accept my opinion as an opinion, and stop trying to convert me with your reasoning. You can discuss this with other people.

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You got your turn, sadly for you blizzard managed to make you into void elves and made ppl hateful of the race and then pout the high elves customization for them. But still they are not (imo) an actual race they are just Void elves (who are lorewise blood elves who taped into the Void)

Wasnt it you who talked about ressources spent? Do you think creating animation/cosmetics etc is not demending a team to take care of it? Which is developpement time, like are we going to argue what is the definition of a developement now?

Dont you need to make a quest to unlock an allied race btw? Ho yes you do! Got you there! Also its funny to see you with your dark rangers cosmetics rent about cosmetics…

Its why most of it is pointless to read and go full circle of you repeating "we dont need this because (put bs pve person arguement who bascially mean “I MYSELF i dont need it”)

And it is your failures to come argue about a topic that you are not interested into, thats the whole problem here, you are bascially the party crasher who comes to a party but dont like parties…like what is the point here? Just to rent and be annoying?

Then again what are you doing here? Just i dont get it.

But i dont even try to convince you, its YOU who came here just to say you dont care…

Really its literally as if someone who dont like pizzas went to a pizza shop to say “i dont like pizza”…

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that’s still not really justification for the inclusion in the game.

Yet, you keep responding to me.

I’m interested enough to state my opinion on the matter.

this is a discussion forum. I’m allow to state my opinion in a discussion. Like you’re allowed to respond to me.

Well you keep responding to me, that’s why I’m still here.

You’re trying to discuss something, and I’m expressing how little this topic means to me other than I don’t think we need it in the game. That in itself is enough for me to stick my head in and say hello.

Again, it’s a discussion forum. We’re discussing. I’ve come to say I don’t think we need this. You’re trying to convince me other wise, or try to find my reasoning.

My reasoning is simple and has been expressed multiple times.

When you stop responding, I’ll stop coming back. But all the time you’re trying to discuss the topic with me, I’m here to repeat my opinion on the topic.

You’re the one keeping me here. Not me.

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That is called trolling, yet again, if you come into a topic it is because you are somewhat interested by it, i get that you can come and say what you will, but i dont get the concept of coming just to say you dont care if you already made up your mind.

But ok fine, keep your pov, not like it was of any help for that topic anyway =p just another “crabs in the bucket” to me.

I wont bother with you anymore, even if your bs was at an high lvl =p i thought you would have at least learned something from this, like for example to not start an arguement about something you dont care anyway

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We need ned flanders in this thread
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Anyhow, I think red draenei are really cooool, but I think it should be a customization option just like dark rangers for elves. Makes most sense. Would also support adding stuff like forest trolls this way. However, if we see them added, I want them to be added alongside a lore event that makes sense.

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It’s called discussion.

the most productive discussions come from when you have 2 opposite opinions working together. However I didn’t really feel you were interested enough in my opinion, like I realised I wasn’t really interested in yours either.

That’s not trolling. But it seems your definition of trolling is having a different opinion.

But if you don’t want me in your thread anymore, just stop responding to me. At least that would stop you from derailing your own thread any further.

You could just respond and kick up a discussion with someone else in the thread, and I’ll float away and never return. and you’ll be able to get your discussion back on track with people of similar opinions :slight_smile:

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Couldn’t you just leave it at that and call it a day?

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Thats what I tried to do. But for some reason OP and yourself decide to gang up on me and keep pestering me for explanations.

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A quick read through your replies , that is absolutely not what you tried to do , you were quite persistent opposing the OP idea.

I just reply when I’m replied to. That’s all. If it means persistently repeating my opinion, that’s one thing.

But after a while, I realised discussion was being lead far deeper than I was interested in. Which is why I stated that I didn’t care enough about the subject to elaborate any further.

Whilst I appreciate you guys may have dedicated more thought to this subject than I have, that doesn’t make my opinion on the topic any less valid. Even if I’m an not as prepared for yourselves for a lengthy discussion.

Sometimes when you present a topic like this, you need to take the response you get at face value, since the audience you’re presenting to, probably isn’t as committed to it as yourselves.

But again, if you don’t want to hear my repeating the same response over and over. Just stop replying to me and get a conversation going between yourselves.

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Working together, except you did not give any productive opinion you went full agaisnt my man’ari idea, not like you tried to work together with it, you just said no to it, how do you expect i am going to react?

Well, what you doing, which is faking to have a productive opinion (while in turht it is very closed view) and then play as if others dont let you express yourself while in truth you dont care.

Like its not like i dont care about your opinion but its just that it dont bring anything as you say “it dont work with mine” =p so yeah i clearly see what you are doing here.

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Which is true. I don’t think they would add value to the game as an allied race.

That doesn’t mean I’m not adding to a productive discussion. A productive discussion doesn’t necessarily mean it results in a “yes lets do this”. It means that discussion has been made and we’ve moved forward in a direction… which we haven’t because you seem unable to 1) let go of my opinion, and 2) garner up enough audience to forget about me and discuss with other people.

The only reason why this whole discussion has fallen out of being productive is because 1) I came to the discussion less prepared on the subject than you and 2) You have failed to realise that I’m not really interested in carrying on, and continuing to respond to me, as if that either makes me look bad or makes you right. Which is does neither, other than continues to derail your thread.

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No you’re right. One opinion isn’t higher than someone else’s however, you made your position clear and haven’t offered anything constructive since. Hence the frustration

It’s giving me twitter vibes of argueing for the sake of argueing

You’re insufferable

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Exactly. it’s just escalated into a derailed thread. Because you couldn’t let go and allow me to have my opinion.

It’s simple when you want to drive a conversation in a certain direction you need to respond to the people who have shared the interest, but for some reason you keep responding to me.

As I say, Pinky Promise, if you stop replying to me, I will stop adding to this thread (with the exception that I happen to click through and see something has been said about me or my opinion).

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But your opinion is just “no i dont want” and you say no to the main topic of the topic itself, so your very opinion is going agaisnt that topic moving forward, its why you are a troll. And its a waste of time to continue there.

But that is still a very valid opinion on the topic.

That doesn’t stop it being a productive discussion on the subject.

And still, it’s been your choice to keep up the discussion with me over someone who is in full agreement with your suggestion. I only respond because I keep getting notifications that someone has replied to me. As I said:

Just don’t bother replying to him or her
You’ll be here forever and it will only diminish a fantastic OP that some of us will appreciate

You wouldn’t go outside to try and engage in a deep conversation with a pidgeon. This is no different. It’s just meaningless noise

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