Thank you for realising me point but…
There is no need to be rude about people.
anyway, I bid you both a good night and good luck with your goals.
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My apologies, a tad harsh indeed.
Thank you friend , have a lovely evening
Hopefully we can get this thread back on track !
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Yeah, i really tried my best but its a lost cause, i was my last reply to him/her anyway, but still thanks for your message 
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Like the idea minus bifaction & jaraxus (bad kiljaeden wish edition) but the argumentation work for me
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As i said many times in this thread, i dont think they would fit a simple customization option because customizations as we saw so far lack the flavor that the man’ari would need. First of all because of warlocks beeing available and second to allow more specific visuals (hornstyles, nooks in them, fellscars etc.)
Actually i would like to avoid a new “void elf issue” like when you have now the high elves customizations for Void elves, but they cant be paladins…
Its not just like with the forest trolls when its just a different skin tone and there you go, its a bit more complex than this, firstly a Troll is a Troll, you can argue Zandalari Troll are Trolls too, but there, the race dont even have the same name, their name is “man’ari eredar” not man’ari draenai…it would makes not much sense for them to be a customization for draenai and i am curious to why you think “its what makes most sense” (actually imo its not its even the opposite)
I dont really get why nowadays peoples are kinda “sick” of allied races as if their greatest issue was that “it must not happen because it will add a new race slot” it just feels like this to me.
For how to introduce them, there is plenty of possibilites that can justify them being a playable race.
That never stopped blizzard . Lorewise blood elves should hate orcs,trolls and undead. yet they joined the horde. The dreanei also originally worked with illidan and demons and looked much more british in wc3 instead of looking like a blue spacegoats.
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Nope - Eredar is core part of legion. You cant ask for villan(one of the most prominent) in lore as allied race.
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Well it worked for the Orcs - you know who attacked the Planet, alien invaders
…and the filthy Undead, who rampaged thrugh the Eastern Kingdom, Northrend and even Kalimdor
Whaaat, they - or a number of them - become “good guys”? Reanounced their masters and try to redeem themselves?
Now where I’ve heard such thing? 
Hmm… where?
Damn, I can’t remember…
Orcs in lore kinda introduced as faction, same with undead. They have even their seperate campaign in warcraft. They have their race values. Orcs, human, undead, elves etc keep fighting each other but at the end they unite to fight major villains.
Eredar just not fit into those category. Its like asking for Sargeras to be good guy which is one of badass villain of wow universe.
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Ehhhh they’re kinda hinting at such a thing actually…
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The Manari Eredar committed a lot of atrocities with the Burning Legion.
Why would the Alliance or the Horde accept them as part of the Allied race?
Not just lately
Sargeras alway was the “he done bad thing with a good reason”-type villain
Fear, doubt and despair overwhelmed him, and he eventually came to the conclusion that the only way to spare the fundamentally flawed universe from the void lords was to purge it all of life.
As villains go, Sargeras is pathetic; not really top tier “Boss”
Well he was based on Surtr so understandable; even the ruler of Muspellheim who was destined to burn the word during the Ragnarok, wasn’t “Evil”; His will fire burns heaven and earth, engulf the world… but ultemately not because Surtr is “evil” this is just his destiny and even He can’t defy Fate; he serves a prupose; cleanse the world, clean the slate, make way of the rebirth and new fertility of the reborn world
Sargeras reasoned in his mind, even a lifeless universe was better than one dominated by the Void, for he argued that if life had once taken root in the Great Dark on its own, perhaps it would do so again
Sure the victims point of view, the Legion and Sargeras was Evil.
But he was a horrible villain
It was originally stated in the Warcraft III manual that Sargeras fell into despair due to the endless evil of the demonic eredar and nathrezim, and that he abandoned the Pantheon due to coming to believe that the titan’s vision of an ordered universe was impossible and pointless — that chaos and depravity were the only absolutes.
World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 1 changed Sargeras’ backstory once more by providing a more specific reason for his betrayal: namely, the void lords and the risk of the Old Gods infecting a nascent world-soul.
In both version, Sargeras pitiful, not “Evil”
Not a good guy, but good is very relative… *coug * Xe’ra *cough *
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That post is 100% true, i would add that with the Blood Elves, it shows you that they really can do whatever they want when they use lore arguements to make one race join factions in term of hates.
Because for the Blood Elves, when we bring up the point that it makes not much sense they be with trolls, arguement will be brought that its not same trolls (not amani) that its not same orcs or for forsaken (because must not forget undead destroyed quel’thalas…) “ho its not same undead!!!” but when they bring up the “why they dont go alliance?” “ho because of Garithos…” while Garithos was a human from Lordaeron and the humans of the Alliance are from Stormwind so it dont makes much sense for the Blood Elves to have hate on them…
For the draenai you are totally right, a lot forgot that the draenai from war3 were what we know call the “lost ones” and had nothing to do with the blue spacegoats we know today.
In tbc they linked the draenai from war3 (lost ones) with the eredars (archimonde race from war3) and added the brokens to make a link between both, its a good retcon imo but its always interesting to remember it.
The burning legion is no more. And they hinted a lot in 7.2/7.3 that they were not actually that evil.
Legion definitly hint that about the man’ari, when you see that they joined the Legion mostly out of fear and/or manipulation
Night Elves that were never explained why they joined the Alliance since Vanilla thought…
Actually they do, you just narrow your imagination because for the orcs/forsaken you got a story and developpement that aimed to that, for the man’ari it is also possible.
Coming from a dark iron dwarf the question is kinda ironic, because you must not forget the dark iron did also a bunch of bad stuff, slavery, summoned Ragnaros (which destroyed 3 zones) , cursed Grim Batol rendered it unlivable etc… But they got some kind of redemption and joined the Alliance in Cata.
Same way with the man’ari here, the Legion is defeated, and Sargeras is now trapped in seat of pantheon and Sargeras was mainly the one who lied, and then enslaved them kind of, because they mainly followed orders because of fear and manipulation, again it does not excuses their actions, but they can go for a redemption kowing this.
Now why would they be accepted/join a faction, because they are ones of the few if not only peoples that actually know how to fight the Void in a cosmic scale and there is actually no playable race that is aimed to fight the Void as a villain in the Horde.
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How about old gods and void lords as allied race?
Dark Irons are considered an “evil” race. But have not walked the path of the Man’ari Eredar. Destroying world after world since joining the Burning Legion. Changing to become more and more demonic that Eradar souls would actually go to the twisting nether only to come back again just like the demons used to
There is no comparison there.
Dwarven rivalries are what they are. The line of our former Emperor Dagran Thaurissan is not yet extinguished. However mixed it has become with the Bronzebeard Moira.
The former High King of the Alliance Varian Wrynn simply put an end to the Dwarven rivalries. More specifically the 1 v 2 where Dark Irons were facing both the Bronzebeard and Wildhammer clans. To unite the council of 3 hammers with the Alliance. Before that only 2 out of 3 were allied with the Alliance.
Defeated or not the Man’ari are very much Burning Legion. More demons than anything else. Should Sargeras return they would join his side. It won’t be a stretch to think that some of the Man’ari will try to free Sargeras from his cage.
They willingly chose to follow Kil’Jaeden and Archimonde. At no point where the Man’ari forced into doing the bidding of the Legion. They relished it.
They won’t be part of the Alliance due to Draenai and Lightforged Draenai suffering under them and waging war against them.
They won’t be part of the Horde since the Man’ari were behind the enslavement of the Orcs with the whole drink the blood of Mannaroth thing and other Horde races have suffered from them.
Burning Legion was not fighting the Void. They simply were killing everything so the Void could not claim them for itself.
There is no redemption for the Man’ari. Not everything should have a redemption story. Look at what they tried to do with Sylvanas in Shadowlands?
It is strange that. Now people want everything to be an allied race. Some even call for Tuskar and Murlocs as an Allied race. Even when it does not make any sense.
To be fair, I strongly belive - according what the DI did before their “pacification” and “neuterisation” and even after that they had “relapses” - if they would have the chance? They would have done even worse things in the service of the Elemental Lords and the Old Gods than the Man’ari ever could immagine
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can you imagine the slutmogs on old gods? id play that!
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I’m sorry, but you could say the exact same about Dark Rangers. I think Lightforged draenei, Void evles and Highmountain tauren were a mistake as separated allied races. Those only increased the “bloat” in character creation screen. We should have only gotten Allied races for “unique” skeletons in my opinion. What they instead should/could have done is changing the starting zone for a specfic customization potentially, if we’re talking about flavour, or they could add specific allied races as customization “titles” for rp, i.e. add a high elf declaration for void elves, or forest troll under troll customization. Imo, it’s an easy way to please many people asking for allied races constantly. Btw, I’m Kogarasu, sorry for changing char, if anyone me on ignore, but I used namechange 
Which one is more evil then? Void Lords or Burning Legion.
If you adjust your thinking. Creation & Destruction Life & Death. They tend to balance each other out. Just perception on both is different.
Void is meant to be the other side of the Light.
Elemental Lords enslavement was so the old gods will feed of chaos. The elements are chaotic by their nature.
Similar to an earthquake or tornado is not good or evil.
The actual process of creating Fel Energy. Created from death, consuming the soul. Something that the Man’Ari specialize in.
It’s a silly argument to compare Manari to Dark Irons.
With the defeat of the old gods it would return to elements ongoing war against each other. Dark Irons were never a slave race anyway. Many did not follow Ragnaros.