Our Elementals are the way they are because Azeroth went “NOM NOM NOM” on their Spirit Energy (chronicles volume 1, page 28) which then turned our Elementals into a chaotic and violent mess.
Debatable. They still cant really leave their realms and the last time 2 of them overdid it they got turned into goo or got vaporized. Ever since the appearance of the Heroes the Elements cant really do anything without risking to get eradicated. Also both Therazane and Neptulon are allied with the mortal races (the former only really with the player and the latter likes mortals in general)
Man’ari eredar requires too much resources. As you can clearly see they have red skin and green eyes. Our mastermind devs at BlizzardHQ will come up with Mechadraenei idea, Draenei but with limited transmog options, new race.
But if we are to discuss seriously, I don’t think we need a third draenei copy-paste race ingame. Males are already useless since items don’t look good on them, the same thing applies to female ones, the less they wear the better they look. It is not the most terrible race but if we rate them, they would literally be 5 out of 10 (5/10) race.
We don’t need more mediocre additions, wow playerbase has shrinked so much because of mediocrity. Reskinned Draenei, Fat Humans, Gnomes but limited transmog options (Mechagnomes) Orc but different colour (wasn’t thirsty didn’t drink fel juice), Tauren but wasn’t slapped by centaur guys (Highmountain).
This game needs well thought new additions, original ideas not this.
And I think we seriously wasted potential with the Lightforged Draenei and I would have rather had the Broken as an Allied race. Then with them we would had hopefully no more discussions about Draeneiwarlocks because the Draenei could have all the Light believe while the Broken would had instead of Paladin and Priest Warlocks.
Why, If I may ask?
People time to time brough this up, but never really give a “reason”
The Broken Ones of the Exiled Ones are a devolved sub-race of draenei who lived in Outland, mutated after being exposed to the fel energies wielded by orc warlocks - not to mention, they - more often than not - were rejected from draenei society due to their deformities, and inability to use the Light, leading them to eke out miserable existences in Outland’s wastes.
What is so appeailing in these mutant misrable cretins who were shunned even by their own and been fooled by besically everyone?
Their model is - personal taste - disgusting and their lore is the tale of misery and betrayal
Why they are so appeailing to you and should join any faction?
In that regard the Man’ari who want to redeem themselves make more sense, than those mutant freaks
They already did this in hearthstone. I think they called it the rusting legion. So i wouldnt put it past them to just take the idea from hearthstone. It already has a bigger lore background than the mechagnomes and void elves we got in the past
Reaccepting them really isnt that far fetched. there were some broken wich did work closely with the dreanei in the expansions in the past. They even have a settlement where allies can quest in the swamp of sorrows.
We already seen other monsters get accepted back by the alliance like the high born with the nelves. Despite them seen as responsible for the sundering.
And if you want to see a story about suffering and betrayal then you can look to already playable races like the worgen, forsaken and blood elves for example
how do the manari make more sense than broken dreanei? Broken dreanei actually worked with dreanei before in the past. In the meanwhile manari are fel corrupted burning legion leaders wich tried to kill all life in the universe. Some broken dreanei abandoned by the light seem like a cuddly kitten in comparison to the manaris deeds
You know that we already can play the Void elves right? And btw comparing the man’ari to “i want void lord” is a bit ridiculous, i did not ask to play Sargeras himself >< just a fel infused version of a race we can already play, just like the Void elves are a void infused version of blood elves or the Nightborns are an arcane infused version of the Night elves.
No, you clearly cant have these arguements for Dark Rangers, because you see, dark rangers are not culturally differents from the races they are the customizations of, the fact you can have the customization on different elvens races clearly tells you that they keep the same culture and that they dont have a culture of their own, while man’ari have a complete different culture compared to the draenai, they dont have the beliefs and faith (they dont believe in the Light) they dont have the same architectures and buildings, and strongest arguement is, the dark rangers dont justify a new class, while man’ari are so different from the draenai that they could have differents class like warlocks and demon hunter just like the Nightborns can have warlock and not night elves.
First of, you can think “its a mistake” but thats not what Blizzard think about the topic, second the “bloat” in char creation? What is this? I mean, to me this arguement makes just no sense, its like “ho no dont put new classes it will bring more bloat to the char creation screen!” Slots are added because the game add new things over the years, because you think having 10000 customozations for one race dont “bloat” anything? Because i mean, if you add 1000 customizations for new players with no explaination that is not going to work…
What you claim is very cool but, from what we have seen so far regarding to customizations, its neither here nor there, i remind you that for now all we saw as customozation was ONE eye color and ONE skin color and they bring a lot of silly combos like dark ranger druids…or dk not being able to use the red eyes…
What i say take in account what we saw so far, and from what we have seen so far, customizations that added “new race” were worse than allied races in terms of flavor so i will put my lots in allied races still.
Well, actually to what we know so far, the Void is much more “evil” than the Legion in term of “joining” because, if you join the Void all you will do is become mad and talk jiberish non sense until you become void and be consumed by it and thus become just a faceless/void elem with no identity and no will and personality
While the fel, even if it emplify your bad sides, actually you keep your personality, and you are still yourself, while the servants of old gods are called “faceless ones” its for a reason, if you look at their directe spawns they are not memorable or have any personality they just expansion of their masters.
We also saw what happenned on worlds conquered by both powers, in the Legion the worlds still exists and they are livable by demons (not by others thought) while in the Void conquered worlds (that for example we see in the dungeon end time) you see that eveyrone dies even their minions…so i dont know between domination by fel or destrcution consume everything in Void would say Void is most evil…
Need i remind you that, even thought the dark iron AND Ragnaros were tehcnically freed from the old gods in Cataclysm, some still serve him, and Ragnaos STILL decided to side with the old gods in Cata, when Deathwing asked him Ragnaros was like “ok lets do this!” while others like Neptulon dont serve old gods anymoe, and some dark iron are still trying to res Ragnaros in bfa, which shows you how they are messed up and still serves the old gods ><
So yeah no its you who dont understand dark iron and man’ari are very similar, because the same way dark iron got enslaved and some still beleive ragnaros is good, man’ari got enslaved by sargeras and some still beleive he is good.
Dont spoil my idea already dude!!! I did have this idea some days ago that in dps spec man’ari demon hunter would meta into doommainden/kil’jaeden forms and in tank spec they would turn into eredar brute.
How curious that you did not mention the dark iron, the void elves, or the Nighborn in your renting…
I already asked you your thoughts on having broken on alliance as the mirror race for man’ari in Horde, but you still did not answer it.
Well, as i said again, nothing that i saw as late of customoizations offer anything close to man’ari.
There is a misunderstanding . The Void is not something that will necesarily drive you mad. It is just another part of creation. But like Death and Destruction is mainly rejected over Life and Creation. These are simply the other side of the coin or more specifically the other part of the cycle.
There is literally nothing positive about Fel. Including the effects that Fel has on those that use it. So many feel that they mastered the Fel. But they don’t.
Worlds destroyed by the Burning Legion are husks devoid of life. There is literally nothing left but to twist the souls of their victims to be “fuel for the Fel”.
The Void has so many other possibilities.
The Fel harms the very soul. There is nothing left. So outside of rewriting their own lore. The death of High King Varian Wrynn by Guldan meant that there was nothing of his soul left to go to any afterlife.
The quest that Voljin went on to find who told him to name Sylvannas as Warchief saw him travel to several afterlives that the souls of the dead are kept.
Without Destruction there is no Creation. Without Death how will Life be celebrated. Without Sorrow what value is there in Joy?
Exactly some Dark Irons but there are still many that did not walk down that path.
More likely than not our Shaman got a bit too handsy with trying to lead our people. Despite the influence that Deathwing was under.
It is once again a false equivalence. Some Dark Irons may WANT to see the world burn. However the Man’ari quite literally watched many worlds burn, Man’ari set worlds alight with fel flames.
Because they are still close enough to the Draenei while being way more.
If we go by relatations where the Draenei would be like the Quel’dorei, the Broken one would be like the Sin’dorei in sense of numbers.
Where the Man’ari are now more demon than Eredar and the Lost ones are so degenarated that the ones that still have their mind are even less then the surviving Highelves the Broken are a race of contrast.
They are similar to the orcs that they once lost their legacy through demonic corruption and now need to find their place in the world again.
They could choose to reconcile with their pure brethren who still have access to the light or they decide that despite some want it they rather do their own thing because the uncorrupted one see them as
This is the big difference to the orcs and more similar to the High and Bloodelves.
Where the orcs in the end think of them as one race and accept even those that use demons as long as they do not worship them, the Draenei think of the Broken partly as tainted ones that they should be left to rot.
This dualism between wanting to reconcile and wanting to do their own thing makes them way more appealing than the Man’ari who are closer to Felorcs then Draenei.
Sorry I overread it.
My thought is they fit for neither faction side. Where the forsaken under Sylvanas could get theorethically get away with recruiting San’layn as the Forsaken did already enough good as bad things and they proofed that you could get away from the evil scourge and undead are basically the same, the Man’ari are to close to the Felorcs.
And while Blizzard is not really contradictionfree in getting free from the corruption the point still stand that the orcs and Bloodelves had enough bad shares of demonic influence that they would not accept it and them joining would only be topped by Draenei and Kaldorei getting Warlock as class.
Instead of Man’ari the Horde should get as counterpart to the Broken finally the Ogres.
Perhaps Alliance and Horde will not be happy with having Manari in their team. Toys that change your image is one thing. But the Manarai will always be Burning Legion. A long time threat to the Universe not just Azeroth.
The Broken are just the victims of the Manari and Burning Legion.
Their main way of corrupting others is to make them bend under their infinite possibilties bs that may feel like “ho look there is many things and possibilities” but in truth there is none if they win. They want you to bend the kneel, to become mad and surredner to madness its the whole idea behind the old gods, as you say you wont always fall mad to their whispers, but you will hear them no matter what, and all they want is you to give in to them. If you dont they will break you so that you do (example N’zoth in bfa who torture azshara because she dont want to give in)
Thats exactly what they want you to believe, they make you believe there is infinite possibilities but their path only lead to consume everything, and at the end you dont exist anymore, the soul is also devoured by the Void, you become just Void creature devoid of any sense of self, its just factual you clearly see it in Eredath quests.
Thats total head canon thought…it was litteraly never stated anywhere.
I feel you miss understand something, the Fel force is called Disorder and not Destrcution.
In the same way that most Dark Iron during the time of their slavery enjoyed or were forced to see it burn. Dont means they all liked it, same wiht the man’ari.
And the worlds devoured by the Void just get devoured, ever heard of how the ethereals became the way they are?
To me they clearly have their place as allied race and in the Alliance, they are technically already part of it if you considere characters such as Nobundo who are litteraly shaman trainer in Exodar.
Dont really agree as the felorcs are nowhere near as explored as the man’ari are in term of culture and other things.
Beccause you think draenai and night elves did not suffer as much as all others from the Legion? The BIG thing you seem to not consider thought is that while Blood elves did kinda suffer from the Legion, they still continue to dwell in fel magic, you clearly see them still in MoP use fel magic and feed on it so they are clearly the same as the man’ari on that part.
A brand new skeleton for Horde vs an already existing one for Alliance? That will just not do.
Thats soooooo like far fetch, its like if you said the forsaken are scourge and will always be regarded as such…
Of the Orcs* like litteraly of the orcs more than anything really.
I really dont get this felorcs thing like i dont see any similarities with felorcs and man’ari >< just both are red and then what?
Without the Void there is no creation in the World of Warcraft universe.
The minions of the old gods, heck even the old gods themselves are a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of what the Void lords are.
Most of these cults are nihilists or want to purge everyone that is not them.
So there is the madness and manipulation element.
But that is not entirely representative of the Void itself. For example if you only ever met 5 Russian people regardless of your experience. These 5 are not representative of Russia itself just a small part of a larger whole.
The Void is the other side of the Light. Similar to the balance between Life and Death, Creation and Destruction. They are two sids of the same coin.
The Void is creation just as much as the Light is.
Study how Fel is created. The Fel has always harmed the soul. Can travel to Legion era Surumar and see for yourself. Blizzard forgot that death the Fel also includes the death of the Soul.
The Fel is not disorder but Destruction. Except the Fel leaves no room for creation.
“For the sins of your fathers you although guiltless must suffer”
The offspring and descendants of those that chose to side with Archmionde and Kil’jaeden still made their choices. Still became demons.
“devoured by the Void” is strange.
The Forsaken are doing to others what was done to them. They forced the curse of the Undead on to the Gilneans in Silverpine Forest. The Forsed the curse of the Undead on to the Kul Tirans and they tortured and broke him just as Arthas tortured and broke the son of Varok Saurfang.
So yes. Tell me that there are not more similarities than differences between the Forsaken and the Scourge.
You do not disagree that the Man’ari will always be Burning Legion.
No it was the Manari = Eradar. When the Draenai returned to their home. There were no Orcs there. Only Horde forces that joined them as the fight was taken to the Burning Legion.
You do a bad job at PR campaign for a genocidal species that saw to the extinction of many species and burning of many many worlds.
A few typos. They tortured and broke Derek Proudmoore just as Arthas torured and broke Dranosh Saurfang.
2:24 timestamp.
To address the claim that the Frosaken are not like the Scourge.
That was just a PR campaign for the Horde. But the Horde have no problem with necromancy and Undeath whenever it is convenient. They done so at the Battle for Undercity when Horde murdered Horde soldiers with Horde plague then denied them the peace of death and turned them into Undead to continue the fight.
It was convenient when the Zandalari turned to Undeath when the Trolls died in the line of duty during their civil war between the Rhastakhan faction and the Zhul faction.
Both have genocidal tendencies and want to burn everything for the power of the Legion. Even the Felcorrupted Bloodelves turned like this. The only difference is the orcs got corrupted by a blood pact from an annihilan and so could get free by killing this annihilan. Meanwhile the rest of the Eredar that turned Man’ari either got willingly or via peer preasure corrupted but it does not matter as by this long there is no difference as they got completely erroded and except some special cases they want nothing more then destruction and the win of the Legion so it is not worth the effort to turn them to Eredar again unless for the few cases.
About the orcs turning Draenei into broken you are technically right but factical wrong.
In the end the orcs turned by an intrigue into a weapon of the Legion because of the Man’ari as Argus showed it whas the Fel energy of the Legion that did it.
I’m all for a new race and all that. But this is not it. First of all if there’s going to be new races, give the Horde the damned ogres already. It’s been on their demand list for ever.
Second if we doing reskins then do something for both factions. Like giving the Alliance the skinny human model (forsaken) and the Horde the culturist human model (basic human, like Nathanos).
The amount of work required for ogre to become playable, compared to essentially re-skinned draenei
Alliance can get something, not sure what but they can get something sure
Seeing as we are dipping down the road of 1-1 allied races for both factions
Potential other contenders
Jinyu
Sethrak
Venthyr
Naga
All of those i’d prefer to see over Ogre
Ogres… lol
If you’d said Rexxars race, Mok’nathal which lore wise could be tricky as I think he is the only one left? I’d be curious… like hella curious as they are absolute Chads and i’d make one in a heartbeat. They’re also ‘bitter enemies of the draenei’
First you don’t know how much work they’d entail. Second, I really don’t care what the opinion of some forum goer is on this, I’m pointing out that they’ve been on demand for longer than any of your other races, even the naga. That’s a fact. It happens or it does not, it’s not up to you really so calm down.
