Mecha gnomes instead of sethrak as an allied race while horde goes with vulpera?

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Honestly I’d rather Jinyu to Ankoan; they have simpler designs and I think look considerably better, but they’re not quite relevant enough to the plot to happen unless something with the Ankoans causes OG Jinyu to get involved.

And yeah, gilgoblins are really unlikely; they’d be competing with Vulpera for the goblin slot and have never interested anyone save for contrarians.
Mechagnomes, on the other hand, are the only contender for Gnomes.

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Tbh I have to admit that Jinyu are a bit better, but I still like both. You are right that Jinyu are not relevant to the story, while Ankoan have a lot of it, it would be nice if Blizz use it and make them AR, because id it does not happen soon after 8.2, they might not get another chance.

I know many people are basing possible AR on which skeleton/model has already been used and which not. At the beginning that was the trend, with the addition of Zandalari and Kul Tirans that trend ended, which means that not all of the skeletons are gonna be used + some might be used as a base for AR more than once - e.g. both Zandalari and Nightborne are based on NE.

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As the saying goes; twice is a coincidence, thrice is a pattern. Zandalari and Kul Tirans were an exception, not the rule.

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We should wait and see if there is a new pattern then :smiley:

Anyway this means one thing, not all of the original races can be used, if they keep the numbers of ARs = original races.

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Hoping we get Mecha gnomes and Vulpera as either faction…still a bit salty about the Crack Elves walking out on the Alliance, especially after enduring Suramar… eye twitch
Imho, the Dark Iron should have gone Horde, considering how long the Alliance have been fighting them, but the mount was nice (for smaller races…please make it scale up for larger races, Blizz)

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Dark Irons have been unofficially Alliance since forever though, and it would’ve resulted in some horrible internal strife if DI had gone Horde. Poor Moira has already almost been assassinated by the High King once, let’s not put her through that again.

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Nightborne should have stayed neutral.

As for DI Dwarves, I think that they hate the Horde as much as they hated the Alliance … But their story is thought out well in comparison with some other a bit questionable stories.

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Hmmm… ‘poor Moira’ spends an awful lot of time talking about wanting the throne in Ironforge, as rightfully belonging to the Dark Iron… that tends to attract assassination attempts… just saying.

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Tourettes…just ignore her. She doesn’t mean it.

We think.

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Yep, which means that sethrak might have been scrapped completely by blizzard at this point.

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I don’t see how; they wouldn’t have started out as a neutral race and they’re not just going to chuck out a whole race after developing them all through beta. They’re either coming or they never were.

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Well okay, let me walk you through the thought process.

  • Vulpera and Sethrakk as a race are introduced. Two native races to one and the same zone on the horde side of the playing field
  • The two races are pretty much archenemies of eachother which suggests that they wouldnt join one and the same faction
  • Soon both vulpera and sethrak have their animations and rig expanded up on, being able to equip capes and what not.
  • Vulpera continue with this trend, leaving the goblin rig behind and starting to shape up into their own unique animations
  • No news about sethrakk whatsoever. Meanwhile we start playing:
  • The alliance campaign starts with helping vorrik who is not exactly a random nobody but one of the keepers. This event in itself is a dot with massive potential to it, leading the alliance to Uldir and even beyond through the explanations of the snakes, but nothing came to pass of it.
    In the theater, if you see a gun in the scene, you know it will be used. To put it bluntly, blizzard put a nuke in this scene with one of the high guardians of the sethrakk, and its not even mentioned anymore.
  • The vulpera skimmed along, they were not a huge asset to the horde, nor was their interaction something so extra special that it would warrant their race to be suddenly sucked up by the horde, but suddenly blizzard goes out of their way to drop the blunt bombshell how their leader is upset with the aliiance over killing rastakahn for no apparent reason considering the trolls werent exactly their friends or anything.
  • Through datamining we find evidence of Vulpera suddenly getting their own brewfest icons and what not, basically confirming that they will be a playable race
  • Meanwhile there is no mention of sethrak in any shape or form still.
  • Then its dropped that mecha gnomes come in 8.2 and they will be an allied race

So!
Summarizing:
Sethrakk have been in the works alongside the fennec furries, their rig was expanded upon. You can still armor equip them in wowhead. However, over the last few months its pretty clear that the development of vulpera picked up pace and sethrakk are nowhere to be found, instead the focus is now shifted to mecha gnomes.

So really, draw your own conclusions here but to me it seems sethrak have been pushed to the side. Either permanently or for a long long while till someone somehow finds a way to integrate them into either factions.

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Idk when people have started to go by the notion that we’re getting more allied races, with vulperas going on horde no less ?

Guess we only see what we want to see :3

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Then you are out of loop. Read my post just above yours.
News have been trickling in constantly and perpetually. The rig expansion for both races was a really firm giveaway to begin with, but now that vulpera started to get their own icons, its basically confirmed. This tied into the fact that their faction was bluntly, borderline stupidly pushed towards the horde faction in the recent in game story events… well go figure.

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Ok, first;

Nowhere is it confirmed mechagnomes will be an allied race; it is extremely likely they will be, but its not confirmed, and if they are it certainly won’t be in 8.2 or 8.2.5; they will be 8.3.5 at the earliest.
Blizzard isn’t trying to hide Vulpera anymore; everyone already knows, the cat is out of the bag, they just can’t say anything officially. Not the same case with Sethrak; their development is being kept under wraps same as every other upcoming AR. They and Vulpera make the most sense for the 8.2.5 slot, coinciding with the update to Worgen and Goblin models.
Just because we aren’t seeing development, that doesn’t mean it’s not there. Additionally, something few people seem to have picked up on is that Sethrak were involved with the Naga attacks introduced in .1.5, which could very easily lead into them getting involved in .2, and any quests linked to that is likely encrypted at this stage. Blizzard wants it to be the surprise Vulpera can’t be anymore. I bet they were both intended as surprises.
Additionally, it doesn’t make sense that Blizzard hasn’t come out and said ‘no’ to Sethrak yet if they had been dropped. They have been blunt about it with other popular AR possibilities, Helves being the most high profile, but not Sethrak, and that’s unusual.
Also, being picky here buuuut…

Custom animations does not mean a new rig; they are still using the Goblin rig and that’s never changed. Slight tweaks here and there but the core is the same. Animations are something put on top of the rig, same as models and textures.
Also, I’m not sure Blizzard even understands what Chekhov’s Gun is.

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When did they ever do that? From their perspective if its dropped its something that they never announced in the first place, so why would they cancel on something they never promised?
The confirmation dance is never an argument. We always go by what we can datamine. If we depended on confrimations from blizzard, we’d have half of the already existing game unconfirmed.

True, but the main point i was trying to make was that they are no longer an alpha style copy paste of goblins and their animations. They carry their own animation sets now.

Not sure whether i should laugh or cry about this sentence but i have to admit that you do have a solid point there…

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They are effectively not. They’re an entire new race. Using the Goblin model does not make them a Goblin-related race whatsoever.

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I don’t need to read your post, I’ve already read tons of similar junk.
What people are calling evidence for them being an allied race is total bs. They just want them so badly as allied race that they take anything they see as proof of them becoming horde pets.

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And how is this evidence just BS? Please, do explain, I’m sure your piercing, all seeing gaze will let you easily enlighten us all.

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Easy : it’s not even an evidence in the first place… sorry to break it to you, but I’m sure you’ll recover.