Midnight is shaping up to be Legion 2.0

[Souldefiler-blades-edge (Souldefíler)]

@Elcorynd-argent-dawn

We all are paying customers in Blizzard’s eyes. No matter if you’re casual or hardcore player. There’s literally no difference. The important thing for them is if we buy the game and pay for sub.

Really…

Turbo Boost says otherwise.

[Elcorynd-argent-dawn]

What does it say?
Also, you’re comparing two completely different things… (reward vs game mechanic)

I am pointing out that game development and game mechanics should NOT be tied exclusively to a small percentage of playerbase (raid, dungeon, pvp mechanics, talent system, class design, rotation etc.)

You’re talking about rewards - which, if you check other thread - I am explaining too.
So again - what does it say?

[Pumpkin-aggramar]

Well, Slapface managed to bait quite a few people anyways

[Bazoomie-silvermoon]

@Slapface-kazzak

Oh, well. At least this will give me plenty of material for new threads, I guess

Which is a good thing .

[Aranoth-cthun]

@Heist-quelthalas

But restro shaman got to keep theirs, which last time I checked is Ions main. xD

Don’t worry, he doesn’t play the game anymore, you can tell by how bad the expansions have been since he was put in charge of the game (from BFA onwards).

[Clergy-the-shatar (Clergy)]

@Slapface-kazzak

@Pumpkin-aggramar

Oh no, Blizzard is catering to the majority of the playerbase.

That is indeed a problem.
No company should send the message that pleasing their most dedicated players is not a priority.

they’re a business, not a charity

[Rexfu-draenor]

Lost Ark is another good example. They focused so much on the sweats that the game started dying. Now they have more bots than players

[Nyagatoro-antonidas]

@Rexfu-draenor

They focused so much on the sweats that the game started dying.

They focused on the whales, not on the skilled players. That’s why lost ark is dead. I have 200h in that game, it was dead once people had t3 on farm.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Slapface-kazzak

• People who suck at the game will love it: their classes are easier now, there are fewer things to manage and keep track of, and they will have the illusion of perfoming better than they used to because of it.

You and I both know that you can’t track all the buffs and debuffs you’re getting combat or those around me.

You and I both know I can’t either.

The only difference is that I’ll admit it.

[Rexfu-draenor]

Most complaints i heard were about having to play multiple chars to keep up and new players not getting into parties because if one person makes a mistake it could wipe the group

[Nyagatoro-antonidas]

@Rexfu-draenor

Most complaints i heard were about having to play multiple chars to keep up

I hated that feature. I genuinely hated it.

@Rexfu-draenor

new players not getting into parties because if one person makes a mistake it could wipe the group

Fights were difficult, yes. But iirc everything was a LFG system. Didn’t play past t3.

[Maissileipa-silvermoon]

So you will be happy with the game then?

[Canabal-darkspear (Canabal)]

@Tah-earthen-ring

Interesting bait.
We’ll see how many you’ll hook.

The hypocrisy.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Canabal-darkspear

The hypocrisy.

Care to explain yourself?

[Brotchen-the-venture-co]

Subscription stats are out, legion did much worse than wod, which did worse than cata, which did worse than wotlk. etc.

In fact if you calculate average sub count for legion, legion sub peak, legion sub trend, index it and weight it, its in fact like 3rd expansion in popularity from the bottom, like still better than SL but

So pls no more youtube parroting about legion the most popular wow expansion

And yes, Midnight is like Legion.

Because Legion was a ctrl c+ctrl v of previous expansions, because Blizzard decided to cancel WOD and quickly do a new expansion. Stormheim copied from WOTLK; Highmountain, Valsharah, Azsuna copied straight from Kalimdor; Broken shore copied straight from BC Hellfire Peninsula/Tanaan jungle WOD. The only original zone was Suramar. Legion was the first expansion, where majority of zones were not original – major red flag/ call.

Midnight is exactly like that. Voidstorm is Karesh TWW, Harandar is unfinished TWW zone, there allegedly is literally an entrace to Harandar from khaz algar, but unfinished. Zulaman Eversong are just remakes of BC zones, especially the sun well patch.

So yes, Midnight is a quick slap together, because Blizzard needed to do an expansion quickly, so they cut out parts from TWW, and made you buy that for 50 eur.

I understand the psychological need to defend the preorder investment, but its also important to man up and face the truth of it. Midnight is Legion without Suramar and class halls.

[Canabal-darkspear (Canabal)]

@Tah-earthen-ring

Care to explain yourself?

Yeah, sure.

By openly acknowledging the bait, you’ve already been hooked.

@Tah-earthen-ring

Interesting bait.

Openly acknowledging it.

@Tah-earthen-ring

We’ll see how many you’ll hook.

The hypocrisy.

[Størmragë-sylvanas]

i don’t get it, why can’t healers have theyr own silence/interrupts aswell ? in a dungeon or raid group content, everyone has a part ti do in order to complete what you have to get so why they keep hurting/taken away spells which hurt team as a whole… an intrerupt/silence is well recived when the developer put so many stupid bs crap to deal with in a short period of time… i find myself with my hunter as a DPS having 3 stuns in order to prevent the boss casting something just so the boss will do it again after i one of mine, now i got 2 more ways to stop it… now there are other classes with one or two ways to prevent dumb mechanics in dungeons/raids…. keep take them away only make the teamwork more frustrating when you fail to stop a BD wipe by not having enough silences/stunneds to roll with… there is no reason to take from a class its way to deal with content as a team… literally none !!!

[Valdreth-argent-dawn (Valdreth)]

Legion 2.0 is a great pitch actually, just reminded me to get my copy of Midnight!

[Nyagatoro-antonidas]

@Størmragë-sylvanas

don’t get it, why can’t healers have theyr own silence/interrupts aswell ?

You want to babysit interrupt the one caster mob that machine guns the players down?
Or get rid of healer interrupts AND remove said spamcaster?
The latter is more fun for everyone. Maintenance kicks are boring and can result in a random 1 shot without counterplay.

You guys always „want want want“ instead of thinking WHY the situation is like that.
We have high dmg peaks because we have 5 different def and heal cds.
We have so many spamcasters because healers have the ability to interrupt them too.

@Størmragë-sylvanas

find myself with my hunter as a DPS having 3 stuns in order to prevent the boss casting something just so the boss will do it again after i one of mine, now i got 2 more ways to stop it… now there are other classes with one or two ways to prevent dumb mechanics in

Thanks for proving why it’s problematic to have so many ways of interrupting casts. I hope you see it.

[Darkrayne-silvermoon]

There’s another group of people:

• People who thought they were good will hate not having addons telling them how to play anymore because they might discover they were never actually good, even with more simplified class design.

Assuming the cooldown manager doesn’t improve because right now it’s not customisable enough. Need to be able to set icons based on resources and stuff to make it a legit replacement, like… show this thing if I have 3+ Holy Power and this buff active, show this thing if I have less than 50% health, etc.