Euuhhh…. You have a very weird argument.
Not worth getting too deep into. Have a nice day.
As a PvP player, I absolutely hate being collateral damage to you guys playing the game in tutorial mode.
I very much like being able to prevent a Mage from using Polymorph on me when my team mates aren’t paying attention or aren’t in range to intervene. Now, I’ll just sit there powerless, and I will receive a crowd control effect - one I could have prevented in the last decade of playing this game.
All of this because you guys struggle with scripted encounters against predictible, immobile AI with 3 mechanics each.
Lets not pretend that WoW PvP is difficult, okay?
M+ title range is more difficult than hitting Legend. HoF CE raiding is more difficult than hitting Legend.
You want to play real PvP? Try Blade and Soul or League of Legends. WoW PvP is for toddlers.
I’m actually offended - not by the content of your post, but rather by your assumption that I could fall for such an obvious bait. Can’t you see I’m smarter than everyone else?
Good trolling is believable. You have a long way to go before you can reach my level, let alone succeed at baiting me.
I will commend your audacity, though.
Baited you good enough.
Try CE raiding and title keys for yourself. Arena is easy in WoW. WoW PvP is easy.
Might hit Legend next season just to prove my point.
As an ex high elo league player: WoW PvP is scripted. Its hilarious that you think you have to make meaningful decisions.
It’s obvious that you’re not confident in your claims, as demonstrated by the fact that you chose to confront them to the Bearer of Truth himself - most likely in an attempt to be corrected and steered towards the path of Enlightenment.
You can think of my post history as a Holy Book: you will find that any of your questions have already been answered, all you have to do is search for the right verse: PvP is significantly harder than PvE
I hope you will enjoy educating yourself. Through me.
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Naa, i will just start blocking people who are delusional.
I dont want to check for myself, but have you ever raided CE, hit title in M+ or hit legend / gladiator? Just curious.
Yes. I have, in fact, done all those things.
You play PvP since WoD and never hit Gladiator or Legend.
I outpeaked you the one time I seriously played PvP.
Yeah, have a nice day.
Checkmate.
Ok, so? This raises some questions:
- Who will you please?
Obviously, the majority. If it is casuals, then casuals. I am not stating my thoughts here, just trying to emphasize a huge company. Why would I care about hardcore sweats if they are a small portion of the community? (Mythic raider myself, but more casually. So kind of one of them and kind of not, you decide.)
- Let’s say they also don’t want to make the hardcore community sad. Do you really think there is a middle ground?
I’d say no. In general, it always has been and will always be the hardest thing for any employee working under the WoW umbrella: “Pleasing everyone.” Impossible task, no way it will ever happen.
Let’s come to what I really think as a Mythic raiding person. I am not as hard-core as the usual Mythic gang and not as casual as the usual Casual player base. I am somewhere in between and pretty happy about it, as I can still keep up with the hardest content in retail.
However, I always hated to see the rotational differences between classes. Let’s be honest here, BM Hunter/Retri Paladin/Frost DK etc. are not as complicated as Arcane Mage or Outlaw Rogue. Why make some classes like rocket science and others like baby toys? Either make them all as hard as the others or simplify them. I am not picking a side; I would be alright with any of the sides here, but it seems like WoW has taken the simplifying path. And I think I am totally alright with it.
I don’t know what Blizz’s long-term motivation is with this path, or if they are just trying, and there will be a possibility to go back to this at some point. Is it a preparation for the console or something else? I don’t care. Instead of complicated rotations on classes/roles, I would love to see some serious skill-checks on other aspects of gameplay, like boss/mob mechanics, personally.
Also, what is the definition of “sucking at game” and/or “good at game” for WoW? There are different depths of the game.
For example, a person who doesn’t have the time and definition to do raiding above Heroic raiding, “bad at the game” just because they can’t do mythic raiding? What really is the indicator here for being good at sucking at WoW? What is the break-even point of it?
You just did it again…
… fell for the “bait”.
The trick is not to have engaged in the first place; if you see something that you think is bait, don’t respond or openly acknowledge it.
But yeah, you have a nice day, too. 
That’s not a bad thing. They should also remove CR from healers.
Different people like different complexity. That’s why some specs are really difficult (enhance, outlaw, arcane) and some specs are really simple (bm, ret, fdk). Then there are some specs in the middle: havoc, arms, ww for example.
That would piss off so many players, myself included. Some seasons I want to really challenge myself (played arcane last season) and sometimes I just want to chill (bm this season). My personal favorite is aldrachi reaver havoc difficulty. Not too difficult, but not braindead.
Maybe some other people can speak up on this, but I imagine I am not alone with that view.
Reserved for mythic raids I’m afraid. Maybe delves with the ?? Fights.
Yeah, but that’s also an issue. Because the impact of the classes doesn’t change with the complexity.
OFC you are not alone in that view, I am not alone with mine as well. That was one of the points of my post: they will never be able to make everyone happy. It is an impossible task.
I mean, yes. Ky’veza’s fight is a basic version of King Saladbar on Mythic, isn’t it? I will be tested tomorrow on that fight, but why is it limited to Mythic? There is a huge skill gap between Heroic and Mythic raid fights, especially deep in the season. Heroic becomes a joke with better gear, while Mythic raid is always a challenge, almost all the time.
In my opinion, class complexity is not a necessary skill check, as I stated before, I would love to see more mechanic skill checks. As with all of my previous message and this one, it all comes up to personal preferences.
Yet again, there is still an issue in OP’s post. What defines “Good wow player” and “Bad wow player”?
I know high parsing heroic raiders who are not able to invest time into Mythic raiding. Are they bad players in this example?
Then you don’t get it:
I choose to engage with Slapface because I think it’s fun.
He’s a fun person to talk to.
And besides: Your response doesn’t count. If you’re directly addressing me; I’m most likely going to respond. If it’s a general post, then it depends on whether or not I find it interesting enough to respond to. 
I’ve been hating on Legion for nearly a decade now.
Jesus, I was already whining about it during Warlords of Draenor, while it was still in development.
It makes me sad that so many think it’s bait. I genuinely hate this flaming pile of garbage of an expansion with all my heart.
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Perhaps this expansion is a solid advertisement for the bad players to eventually become better in the game for healing or tanking purposes.
And honestly you could really need it because probably 60% or higher of the player base only play dps.
Did you really choose, or were you baited into engaging?
I don’t do this anymore; comma, however, I used to.
Most people can’t help themselves; if an opportunity presents itself for them to one-up you, they will take it.
I would use this to my advantage.
A Thread about: How to Fix PvP
In my argument on how to, I would say something self-deprecating.
I don't have any Rank 1 or Gladiator titles, but if such and such is done, it would fix PvP.
It’s an easy one-up, right?
The response is going to be:
Tah:
You're not even good at PvP. Why should anyone take seriously the things you said that would fix PvP?
Once I got them to engage, I would then proceed to Dog Walk them (take them step by step) the entire conversation.
No, no, you don’t have to respond; you have agency.
I said I chose, didn’t it?
There’s your answer.
I get your point, but that’s a bad example.
I would never say something like that. 
First: I probably wouldn’t even look at a thread about PvP in general.
Second: I don’t ‘guilt trip or demonize’ people based on lower performance.
Third: I don’t believe in the ‘you must be good at something to know stuff about it’ mindset that you sometimes see on the forums.
Of course. I’m just saying: If someone directly addresses me, I usually respond.
If that’s me ‘taking the bait’, then so be it. 