I for one an looking forward to 70 30 horde ally servers.
Can’t kill world pvp if flying mounts and arena have already killed it.
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No one force you to go into a min-max guild.
Full Warrior fury/Rogue Combat speedrun guild are only 1% of Classic guilds.
I currently play in a heavy-caster guild with 4 Fury Warrior, and I’m ok. Same will apply for TBC. Just choose your guild with your ambition.
American release is still american release and folks could join american servers if they wanted to participate in the content and time back then. Regarding crybabies I aint talking about anyone here on this thread but more of those forum threads that starts from lvl 20 retail characters that pop up everywhere regarding faster push on content.
I think its immature to directly point at some1 giving them names.
Uh, no. Aside from the first phase lasting 2 months less than the original launch, we’re still on track. ZG came out 2 months after BWL, just like back then. As long as AQ comes out in August 2020 and Naxx comes out in January 2021, we’re following the same exact pacing as Vanilla.
If MC lasting only 6 months is reason enough for you to complain, then you’re the crybaby here.
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Put on some glasses and read my post above again.
I did, and I still share Nicolay’s question:
Not sure every one min maxed other than speed runs?
Then again everything is known today … We have in game addons that gives BiS lists.
A lot of people min-maxed based on my vanilla experience. 2 things have changed though:
- Gamer mentality. 10-15 years ago, if you came across something good, you’d often keep it to yourself and/or friends to get an advantage. Now the default is ‘share it ione with everyone’.
- Information. Most people that did bad things in Vanilla didn’t do them because thru knew they were bad and didn’t care. They did them because they thought they were good and there was little data available to prove them wrong.
Not everyone is going to min-max and those who do, so? It’s like playing CSGO and always running the same setup. It’s fun to have competition and see how much you can squeeze and push yourselfs.
In fact, I believe Blizzard raiding is missing the PVP treatment. It needs to be competitive to increase the replayability. World of Logs on actual Blizzard website. Otherwise, this game will slowly die. eSport/Streaming is what will extended this already ancient games life.
If you read correctly:
- I didnt call anyone crybabie on this thread, instead you and Nicolay call me crybabie directly for having a other opinion than you.
- We have to calculate the time from release in America as it was the first release of WoW.
We still have to wait and see AQ and Naxx release. Hopefully they wont be rushed and even better have more time inbetween so people with a normal life can enjoy the game without beeing squeezed in the corner to rush through content.
We didnt have that comp. In tbc and managed just fine.
Doomsday prohecies sells like sweet candy.
No, I called you crybaby for thinking Classic release is somehow too fast, and for whining about people asking for other expansions just like people asked for Vanilla years ago.
So what? Aside from the first tier lasting 2 months less (which I doubt is rly a major problem to anyone, or is 6 months of MC only not enough for you?), the ZG release has been 2 months after BWL just as back then. Where’s your “6 months” calculation coming from?
Assuming they follow Vanilla release times, as said before, AQ will come on August 2020 and Naxx will come around January 2021, with TBC possibly coming somewhere in summer 2021.
If that’s still too fast for you, well, that’s a “just you” issue I guess.
Those 6 months are calculated from US release and assumed that AQ and Naxx will be released earlier than in Vanilla just as BWL was released 2 months earlier in Classic.
This leads to 2 months of less clearing time for both AQ and Naxx as they both need to be coordinated with the quicker release of BWL.
Summarize these 4 major dungeons and earlier TBC release (to make Zalanji happy) and u get 6 months of less lifespan of Classic WoW.
Edit:
And yes im more than happy to have a slower patch release just as in Vanilla as it would give me time to explore both factions again (leveling a a character on both sides)
Why would it be? We still don’t know when AQ and Naxx will be released. If AQ comes out in August and Naxx comes out in January, the only raid that lasted 2 months less than back in Vanilla will be Molten Core - every other raid would last 6 months just as back then. Which would mean that Classic as a whole would have lasted only 2 months less than the original Vanilla.
Let me show you in numbers:
Vanilla:
Molten Core: 8 months
BWL: 6 months
AQ20/40: 6 months
Naxx: 6 months
Total: 26 months
Classic:
Molten Core: 6 months
BWL: 6 months
AQ20/40: 6 months
Naxx: 6 months
Total: 24 months
What kind of fantasy math are you using there to get 6 months of difference between Vanilla and Classic’s timespans?
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Well, that’s fair and all, but crying for “too fast” of a release just because Molten Core lasted 6 months instead of 8 is frankly ridiculous.
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Look
Original Vanilla:
MC: 8 months
BWL: 6 months
AQ: 5 months
Naxx: 7 months
Total: 26 months
My statement was based as if BWL, AQ and Naxx would be released 2 months earlier with connection to the previously released patches thats been released. (Which means for example that AQ will come in june 2020 which is 10 months instead of 14 months after original release and Naxx would come in October 2020 14 months instead of 19 months after original release) Thus also assuming rushingly release TBC 2 month earlier compared to 2006.
This leads down to:
Molten Core 6 months
BWL 4 months
AQ 3 months
Naxx 5 months
Total: 18 months which is 8 months(and not even 6 months) less than Vanilla lifespan.
Why would they? So far, only BWL was released two months earlier - and for good reason. ZG has come out two months after BWL, exactly as back then. Until AQ actually comes earlier than expected, I don’t see any reason to complain about stuff “coming too fast”, to be honest.
People back in Vanilla managed to handle a BWL release coming only 1-2 months after Ragnaros was first downed. On Classic, most guilds have been farming MC as a whole since October, if not earlier. I don’t really see your point here.
- They have developed all the content already
- They dont want nolifers to unsub (which is quite alot of folks)
- Min/max culture of people who just want to rush/push through content.
Above are some reasons why they might push content faster.
Your data is incorrect regarding time for first boss kill.
Ragnaros remained undefeated for 154 days after release. Downed 25.04.2005.
Nefarian was downed 26.09.2005 just shortly after I started to play.
Timelapse (5months)
Dont believe me? Check method.gg
Rogue and DPS warrior players will be very disappointed with TBC. From a minmax point of view there is no reason to bring more than one warrior or rogue. Given the fact that rogues and warrior make up a lot of the population it will be interesting to see their reaction to very limited raidspots.
Until they don’t I’ll give them the benefit of doubt. Pushing BWL release up two months made sense because we didn’t really need more than 6 months of just Molten Core and Onyxia, but now with Blackwing Lair and Zul’Gurub I just don’t see much of a reason for them to push AQ earlier - let alone push Naxx just 3 months after phase 5 lol.
Ragnaros was downed on 25.04.2005
Patch 1.6 launched on 12.07.2005
Timelapse (2 months and a half)
Learn to read.