My Feedback for Feral Shadowlands/Dragonflight

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

@Råncor-draenor

Some utillity might save feral in Shadowlands

Exactly

@Råncor-draenor

boomy/resto then feral brings nothing except stealth rake stun

Sad but its harsh reality

[Thýri-doomhammer]

@Enumar-karazhan

i just checked on my feral (im 477 gear) unbuffed shred damage in my character ; it hits for 9997 damage. my hp is 529k divide it ; its 52,9 /1 ratio in hp !!! İTS far too low !
Shred should hit for target’s hp like 21k !! Which is % 5 of target’s hp.

Yea… In reality, on average at ~477ilvl, Shred hits for like 30-50k.

[Enumar-karazhan]

@Thýri-doomhammer

@Enumar-karazhan

i just checked on my feral (im 477 gear) unbuffed shred damage in my character ; it hits for 9997 damage. my hp is 529k divide it ; its 52,9 /1 ratio in hp !!! İTS far too low !

Shred should hit for target’s hp like 21k !! Which is % 5 of target’s hp.

Yea… In reality, on average at ~477ilvl, Shred hits for like 30-50k.

im just reading tooltip. Im not counting modifers or other random crap. I just look at the shred spell in my bar for its static base value.

I just tried at lvl 120 dummy , hit it few times in a row, actually i’ve hit even lower. Because of armor affect. 6700 on a lvl 120 dummy, on dazar-alor.

My stats are : % 31 crit,% 20 haste % 47 mastery % 9 versa % 3 leech.
i tried to burst the dummy, never saw higher than 19k.And that 19k is a crit.not direct damage. And those are with random buffs,(versa,crit etc)
It SHOULD do 20k or 30k as a melee class, but in reality, it doesnt.

i just login to see how much damage difference i have with my warrior alt ; the damage difference is like double.

my warrior is 456 ilvl. ;
Slam hits for 11,618 without any crit or buffs;
Whirlwind hits for 6993 without any crit or buffs;
Collosal smash hit for 54k kwithout any crit or buffs;
Overpower hit for 13k without any crit or buffs;

So dpswise; a 477 ilvl feral is weaker than a 456 ilvl arms warrior.

Note: I my warrior isnt fully ranked on cloak, but my feral is .Lets not forget that arms warrior mastery is a direct slap to feral druid’s face.(deep wounds hit’s for 35k in a single blow seriously seriously lol; i use 5x combo points for that rip bleed dps ) Though i dont know how much corruption effects dps. But im quite sure a full upgraded arms warrior is by far outdps a feral druid.

Blizzard cannot really fix the class before fixing our damage.No new player wants to play a low dps class.
Considering how squishy we are, our dps should be on par with assasination rogues,maybe even more ; we have no evasion, no cloak, no instant death saving passives or physical deflects.And bear form is a joke ; its not even really useful for 1v1,or 2v2 or 3v3 .its garbage for pvp;compared to other classes defensive abilities.

I think shred should be a bleed attack and designed similar to Feral Frenzy .

[Xechtinoch-darkmoon-faire]

@Enumar-karazhan

Blizzard cannot really fix the class before fixing our damage.No new player wants to play a low dps class.

Feral damage isn’t really the problem, though. We may not be top DPS but numberwise we are (reasonably) competitive in my experience. The issue is that Feral’s utility is a strict subset of Boomkin/Resto. Meaning, if you want a Druid’s utility in your group, you are getting (significantly) penalised when picking a Feral instead of Balance/Resto.

[Furreal-auchindoun]

I understand we all want more utility and I would love to be a bit more of a support role in a group too. But if I have to be fair, atm I just stroll through any mythic and I’m not finding groups who decline feral for who we are and what we do. If you really push mythics then yes, some classes are and will always be better.

I kinda feel like all these things like casting rebirth from cat form, typhoon or what ever utility is really nice at the start of the patch but it all gets less noticable and less needed the further we are in the patch.

Idk… I’m just ranting but I kind feel feral is gonna be in a pretty good place in SL and I mostly feel ppl keep complaining

[Ridtur-outland (Ridtur)]

A +15 is a joke in the final months of the final (longest) patch of the expansion. Naturally anyone can finish it.

That doesnt mean that a +15 will be easy to complete in the first or second patch of SL, and will have the same consequence as usual, Ferals dont get picked. Same goes for raids.

[Thýri-doomhammer]

@Enumar-karazhan

So dpswise; a 477 ilvl feral is weaker than a 456 ilvl arms warrior.

It’s not true.

I’m not saying feral don’t have problems, but I really fail to understand what you are trying to accomplish here by spreading false information like that.

[Enumar-karazhan]

@Thýri-doomhammer

It’s not true.

I’m not saying feral don’t have problems, but I really fail to understand what you are trying to accomplish here by spreading false information like that.

Im not spreading misinformation. ı just posted numbers. You are just in denial of the truth.
I’ve seen only 2 friend on my list started playing feral within 10 years. None of them stayed as feral, not even stayed as druid. They all said the same thing. ‘‘Damage is too low.’’

Ferals also have a very bad scaling in dps race.We have a cluncky burst rotation (tied to maim)We have no ms effect, no real finishers, no proc based different hits,our direct damage is lowered greatly with armor,no dodge breakers or big dots like dk,we also dont have big channeled-on the move-dps spell like Ww monks.

I think best ways to fix feral dps is to make a stacking damage buff when we are on the move, and a stacking damage reduction while we stand.That can solve a lot of issues.

[Thýri-doomhammer]

yea. Whatever.

Meanwhile, I’m still gonna top dps.
DPS is not a problem for ferals.

You said “burst rotation tied to maim” ? wat ?

anyway, I’m out of that discussion. Makes too little sense for me.

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

He is kinda right tho all the things we got in bfa is borrowed power in shadowlands we are losing corruption, essences and traits.

Our DPS wont be the same as it is in bfa due to borrowed power so our dps will be crap and we will have 0 utility due to blizzard giving stampeding roar to all specs

[Thýri-doomhammer]

Yep. But you can basically say that for every class. Mages won’t be stacking mastery that much either, for example.

Then, comparing one ability (shred) to the multiple abilities of a warrior… That doesn’t really sound fair. Especially considering shred is not exactly the main source of damage as feral.

[Rilyn-blackmoore]

Sotf and hotw baseline

Inkarnation 2 min cd
2 charges si and 1 barskin
Remove gcd from shifting
Buff bleeds
Cyclone in catform

[Xechtinoch-darkmoon-faire]

@Enumar-karazhan

My stats are : % 31 crit,% 20 haste % 47 mastery % 9 versa % 3 leech.
i tried to burst the dummy, never saw higher than 19k.And that 19k is a crit.not direct damage. And those are with random buffs,(versa,crit etc)
It SHOULD do 20k or 30k as a melee class, but in reality, it doesnt.

These are numbers for individual abilities, which is mostly meaningless - in PvE at least. If you are talking about PvP, I cannot really say anything since I suck at it regardless of class

But in PvE my numbers are mostly en par with similarly geared other DDs (except Fire Mages ofc). Warriors at the same ilvl may top my damage by a bit, but definitely not by 100%. In encounters with near 100% at the boss, I sometimes manage to top the meter. And rest assured, in my case this is not because I out-skill anybody…

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

We want level 35 talent row changed , bleed buff and give us unique utility

[Ridtur-outland (Ridtur)]

@Rilyn-blackmoore

Remove gcd from shifting

Remove 1sec cd on form when exiting.

[Mepperke-chamber-of-aspects]

There is still hope

Shadow priests got a rework…

Maybe they are looking at feral to?

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

I hope, doesn’t look good for us ferals

[Furreal-auchindoun]

I think were looking alright. If i have to make a guess we will be at the spot we’re right now.

Yes our utility will lack so far, but damage wise and tools we have for ourselves. We’ll be fine

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

@Furreal-auchindoun

I think were looking alright. If i have to make a guess we will be at the spot we’re right now.

Yes our utility will lack so far, but damage wise and tools we have for ourselves. We’ll be fine

i think passive mastery buff to buff bleed damage and finishers abit and we are good but i would love to see bleed buff in general ,rake ,rip and thrash buffed by 30% atleast.

Give us some utility back and we are gucci

[Furreal-auchindoun]

Yeah but if I see how we go for big bites now in BFA I think itll be the same in SL so I’m not expecting any buff to our bleeds