… sad truth …
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Feral is the bottomline of all dps.Im pretty sure i’ll get one shotted in arena if they have removed survival instincts.
I don know how heavy the damage will be in shadowlands; but im quite sure it’ll be quite terrible without Survival instincts.
The problem with current feral is We dont have good damage, we dont have utilitiy and we dont have defense outside s.insitncts and we dont have good burst atm. All other melee classes feel like godly compared to ferals.
If you design a spec to be unrewarding just because it can remove roots and slows; this is what you get in return; a class that is not good at anything ; which is underperforming.
Every new druid player i’ve seen within years; stopped playing, or swap to another melee dps.They all said the same thing.’‘it doesnt do good damage’’ This cycle really needs to stop. Compared to how squishy we are; ferals should hit HARD, i mean REALLY hard. Maybe hit hard with percentage % .
i just checked on my feral (im 477 gear) unbuffed shred damage in my character ; it hits for 9997 damage. my hp is 529k divide it ; its 52,9 /1 ratio in hp !!! İTS far too low !
Shred should hit for target’s hp like 21k !! Which is % 5 of target’s hp.
THIS IS THE MAIN CORE REASON WHY PEOPLE LEAVE FERAL, OR NEVER START AS ONE.
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I would leave other abilities but buff bleeds to hit like a truck, like really hard like etc 53k rip tick and rake 35k ,thrash 25k and infected wounds buffed from 20% slow to 50%. Why are rogues allowed to spam perma slow with throw knife ranged ability wtf ? Powershifting needs to come back, single target ability like shred is fine but they can increase its damage when target has bleeds on so it hits 50% harder If you have bleeds. For utility I would make all affinities baseline for all specs we are the only restricted hybrid ,why? Why are we restricted to affinities and on the other hand they want to make us feel like druids , wow hearth of the wild with affinities how much fun right? The class design team dosent even play druid ,maybe resto but that’s about it. Where are the days with instant cyclone, leader of the pack baseline, bleeding up and and swapping out for big hurricane with bleeds ticking, healer out of mana? No problem tranquility. We had so much toolkit in the past , defensive, burst ,damage ,bleeds hitting hard and amazing offheals with 0 mana restrictions. That’s the feral I miss not some restrictions and be like “hey look heart of the wild druid will have to shift out and do druid stuff” yeah good luck with power shifting on GCD amazing design… blizzard needs to get their stuff together for real its making me really really angry… I’m tired of being ignored in bfa I don’t want to be ignored in shadowlands… why making us worse than we are ,you really want to kill feral because you don’t care? Fine il vote with my wallet but for now I will protest against your ignorance…
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Blizzard, likes giving similar abilites to other classes by ‘‘homogonizing classes’’ For exmple; shield of vengeance to paladins.Its basically a different version of Touch of karma. Sadly ferals got none of this type of abilities.
we need Mangle(Cat) back; probably with a % hit percentage.(also bleed damage debuff)
Yes, this needs to be done really.
Personally, i would really like to see Typhoon balance baseline ,and Bash for feral spec baseline really.
I feel like sometimes blizzard is testing waters to merge feral back with guardian again, but maybe im paranoid.
I feel like everyone has a druid alt, but dont main it.Except us, like few,which is we sadly.Thats why they dont bother fixing feral damage and overall fix class.
I didnt get any beta invites yet, but we need to get in touch with devolopers,and ‘‘convince’’ them to do it. Maybe twtitter? 
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Back in old expansions; we BOTH had Survival instincts barkskin AND frenzied regen.**
I prefer Frenzied regen baseline over Renewal tbh.Make much more sense.
Yep. Removing sabertooth is a direct slap to our face, breaking our teeth, which reduce dps.
Yes.
Can we have Tranquility as well? Would be amazing just like old days.
Yes. +1
I really hate that savage roar needs both combo points and energy ! it doesnt make any sense ! Besides, Savage roar shouldnt reall be on same tier with incarnation. Savage roar should be baseline.
This may also create more opportunity for us to find RBGs as well.Because we could have 1x more utility from pvp talents.
Guaranteed Criticals on ferocious bite during incarnation would be awesome.
Ferals never been overpowered . We ‘‘DESERVE’’ to be overpowered.Which will eventually happen when they buff the class so adequately that we see a world arena feral druid champion including 3v3 team.
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To be honest, I don’t think raw damage is the main problem that Feral faces. It is mostly our utility. On paper, we have tons of stuff. But in practice a lot of this is circumstantial and of limited use.
Roots? Sounds nice, but only makes sense for melee mobs and breaks when you just look at them. Might change if CC to keep mobs out of combat is making a return in SL.
Hibernate? Nice in theory, but there only few dangerous beasts in dungeons.
Typhoon? Well, that one is good. Can be used as an interrupt and to push mobs out of pools you don’t want them in.
Mass roots? Same as for roots and in most cases Typhoon is simply better.
Mighty Bash? Good, but comes at the expense of Typhoon (being able to have both is one of the very few improvements to Feral in SL - although for some inexplicable reason Blizz felt the need to nerf it).
Soothe? Useful, but there are not that many dangerous enraging mobs. Also, BM Hunter (or a Resto Druid) got this covered and is much stronger all around, so no need to bring a Feral for this. Btw, Rogues also get an enrage dispel in SL, so, relatively speaking, Feral looses at this front, too.
Infected Wounds? Snare is nice but 20% is barely noticeable and it is single target only, though you’ll likely keep Rake on multiple mobs.
Stampeding Roar? Situationally useful although hardly mandatory. Since any Druid covers this in SL, again a relative loss for Feral.
Add to this the fact that although our overall damage is not too bad (and can be great for sustained AoE on many mobs), we do not have much on-demand burst, which is often more important than sustained damage.
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It feels like Devs only see US forums … Feral Needs Some Love Blizz !!! Just do it already… there are tons of feedback … just buff the bleeds dmg, add some spells on Predatory Swiftnes proc and give us some utillity ( u slaped feral/guardian in the face by giving what we had to resto and balance while giving us NOTHING back )
PS: What is SCENT OF BLOOD ?
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i agree but i want my bleeds to feel powerfull again cause i feel like its not even worth having bleeds on sometimes cause they dont hit as hard as back in mop but i 100% agree about utility
only good for temple of sethraliss for knot of snakes otherwise it feels usless
boomy has it baseline but feral does not get bash baseline , blizzard hates ferals you can see it from this picture
it used to be 50% slow but u know blizzard is bias towards their rogues with spaming Poision knife when they can use it in range to slow you by 50% even spaming it tho 
really usefull in keys and on fights like mythic cara and nzoth
but its going to be class wide so we get notting in return making us more usless in shadowlands
i fully agree but i would like to see bleeds hit like a truck like they used to so i actually feel like a lion cat and that those bleeds hurt my opponent not a scratches that barely do damage
they can make incarn baseline and replace besserk and the incar would increase our crit by 30% aswell so we would have more chances to crit with shreds and crit would buff bleed ticks if they buff bleeds so it would feel like a burst
only melee spec ingame without a burst , its really sad to hear that , hope they fix us
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Anyone with a beta can give feedback on the beta forum, but most ferals don’t have it. Psybearslat has it and is raising concern, he has tested it but without legendaries. So we have to hope that legendaries will be the thing that makes us instead of destroying us.
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Well, the announced massive increase to the damage modifier for Shred/Rake when used out of stealth means a substantial buff for King of the Jungle. This would give us burst. But, of course, this comes at the expense of Soul of the Forest, meaning your rotation becomes really clunky for 2.5 out of 3 minutes.
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Sotf should be baseline like rogues
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Make Ferals Great Again Ò-Ó
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BUMP
Blizz needs to see this, we love the spec it could just use a little love.
Dont let this topic close.
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Agree, they need to give us
Powershifting
can cast forms without GCD on top of them
Affinities
Restrictions to not let us use druid abilites and be 90% of balance affinity and resto for pvp , Remove them and make all baseline
Bleeds
Need major buffs they need to increase bleed damage alot i want my bleeds to tick big like in mop when shred and bites were not our only damage
Level 35 Talent row in shadowlands
Bash Mass roots and Heart Of The WIld what the actual F
why would you put HotW there . fix this , make Mighty Bash baseline for Guardian and Feral Druid and put Mass Roots and you can put there something like Nature’s Swiftness which makes your cyclone,Hibrenate,Combat Rez instant cast and its a 2min Cooldown. I would also put Treants back from mop the ones that put 3 rakes on my target and whola new utility talent row
Innervate
Make it baseline for all druid specs feral would love to have that as baseline to bring stuff to the table
Sabertooth
Like i said above make it passive baseline and make it work like in mop when being our 25% execute passive
Leader of the pack
baseline but nerfed from 5% crit to 3% so ferals would be taken in more in high end content like mythic plus and high end raiding
Incarnation
Being baseline nobody likes berserk atm it dosent even feel like a cooldown
Burst
We are the only melee in the game without any burst , we would love to have burst aswell.
Tiger fury
add Jungle fury azerite trait built into the ability so whenever we press tiger fury we get that crit bonus on top with 15% more dmg
Thrash
wildfresh rending needs to be passive to make this bleed even be used cause its the most usless bleed and ability atm , i would love to make this bleed have its purpose so it would increase our shred and swipe damage
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Don’t forget that Incap Roar and Stampeding Roar has to let the user stay in Cat Form. Being forced into Bear Form just to use Stampeding or Incap Roar is going to be so, so clunky.
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There is a big utillity discrepancy between druid specs … there was the same before but now IT IS AMPLIFIED with resto and balance taking all we had uniqe while feral/guardian received nothing … its a bit of a shame.
What was unpruned for feral ? Cylcone ? wich u cannot even cast in cat form lol and barkskin ( in replace for 1 charge of SI ). There could be some easy fixes for feral … bleeds needs to DO DMG and some form of utillity to provide for grps/rads. Why would ppl take a feral in a M+ ? … I`m afraid that without making feral do proper DPS from the start of the expansion and not after 2-3 patches, players will completely forget about Feral specc (the notorious feral stygma) and more ppl will stop play feral again … Same happend in Legion … Bfa was not better either for feral …
- It is so sad to wanna play the game and not beeing able to … atleast for M+ … In raids ye u can have a spot if u have a decent guild … But what if ppl dont run M+ so much … u are left with trying to get into M+Pugs but NO ONE WANTS FERAL IN PUGS
even more now when they will realize balance took all our utillity on top of their already strong utillity
Now it`s the time Blizzard !
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this is why this thread exists , they shown their bias towards resto and balance they dont care about guardian and feral at all and ferals are tired of being ignored for whole expansion . i dont care about preach and others they rather mention balance , resto and shadow priests (not hating on shadow priests) but come tf on… not even mentioning feral to ion while you did the interview but you rather mention other specs… and then we face “its underplayed and nobody wants to look into it” yeah and you know why cause meta players are like “ew feral take balance” and they keep doing it they think we are budget rogues but we are not really , compare what feral was in mop and mop rogue you saw the differences between assassin rogue and feral druid and now rogue feels like what feral bleeds should be with single target damage they can do with envenom aka bite for example… im not hating on any class but i just cant stand watching blizzard making feral another demonology like they did in wod … just imagine ion saying “Because we rather you dont play feral” imagine … like they did to demo lock in wod .
yup and people think “oh but you got iron fur and bear form” how tf is that going to fix anything , we will be forced to sit in bear in order to defend ourselves and do 0 dps while in bear and swaping forms costs GCD speaking of GCD on forms introducing HoTW they should remove GCD on forms to not be punished for wasting a GCD cause you wanna offheal cause of the HoTW or be balance druid for few secs…
exactly why im being loud and angry as much as i can trying to get into devs’s heads trying to show the problem of the spec and what they are doing is wrong vision . bleeds need to hit like a truck like they did in mop and bleeds increase the damage of our shred , swipe /brutal slash damage . thats how it should be and not to mention “infected wounds” used to be 50% and nerfed to 20% cause they favor rogues , you know whats broken about rogue they can spam slow with throw poision knife from range… 0 cd on ability 50% slow spam did rogue become frost mage now?! what the hell is going on with class balance team .
revert the nerf on infected wounds back to 50% … so we have a passive slow utility with infected wounds
big +yes and this is why im ranting all the time here on this thread trying to open their eyes … i wanna make an angry mob so devs get spammed with feral druid feedback so they will be forced to change us how we want our class to play more fluidly
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I dont understand, Blizzard does not care about Europe ? eu forums ? are this forums seen at all ? … Just dont let Feral sink into oblivion Blizz …
And make feral a playable spec into M+ from the beggining not at the end of an expansion … I personally wont play anything else cause I formed a bound with this specc … and seriously i`m tired of wasting hours and hours tryign to get into groups … Afterall we all pay same ammount of money to play the game … since as feral specc i cannot fully participate in the content u provided us ( M+ ) the same as others i may aswell ask for a 50% disccount from the monthly sub … not even joking
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Nah - these forums aren’t read.
Ferals need utlity and bleed buff and fix level 35 talent row for gods sake blizzard
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Some utillity might save feral in Shadowlands if we wont end up doing huge dmg numbers ( wich i dont think will happen thinking that in Legion/Bfa feral dmg was crap and memed by everyone ) … if u compare druid to some other classes we do have utillity, but if a grp/raid already have a boomy/resto then feral brings nothing except stealth rake stun :D…
With a good tuning kicking in and a slight Berserk rework feral might be gucci.
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