Doesn’t look like it.
15-20 keys are very easy this season in SL, but I remember S1 was vastly more challenging then it is now.
I remember timing DoS-15 in S1 SL with barely any time left, and no deaths, pulling ardenwield in a big big pull as well. I didn’t bring meta dps, cause my friends never go for meta.
I just hope this means they will focus on m+ balance as well, and not just gut and buff specs for raids, but also keep m+ in mind.
well you still get gear that will help you clear Heroic?
Why is there an Issue with that?
Do you really need Mythic equivalent gear to finish Heroic?
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Shadowlands raids has proven that answer is yes.
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But If you already have mythic gear why even attempt Heroic at all …
Yeah, why play a game. that is a good question 
Yes, yes you do. Not everyone is some giga pumper who does orange parses every pull, most AotC guilds are very casual and that lil boost in gear helps a lot.
Nope. You gotta do +20 to get lower mythic gear from chest . And whatvis even more funny which a lot of people dont realise without that mythic gear from +15 they will never ever go anywhere close to +20 in first place.
With new scaling + 15 in DF will be like +17 this season rewarding you chest from +11. Meaning you cannot gear effectively from your gv if you are not top 1 percent of players. And +20 next season will be liek +25 this season difficulty wise.
Im sure do mamy of you are doing +25. Now imagine having to do IT without being full decked in mythic gear.
Just lol .
Not everything is about gear, some people enjoy the raid because its a social outlet.
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Apparently it is about gear …
otherwise no one would complain that it is now harder to “outgear” content.
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Gear is a tool to do the content you enjoy. Without the gear that content falls away.
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And what do you think happens in m+ ATM ? 80-90 percent of people WHO do +20 this season do IT only after being full decked out in 298/304 gear.
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how is it falling away?
If you only want/can to do +15 you are free to do so?
you get end of normal if not heroic equivalent gear from the dungeon.
you can be geared for heroic without stepping into the raid once …
If your guild needs to outgear in order to progress anything … idk what to tell you 
Indeed. Don’t tell me anything since you do apparently not understand the concept of gear.
You can tell him that he is just like majority of guilds in wow. ATM raiding is impossible to do for majority of players without mythic gear from gv due to how its tuned.
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well then we can hope that DF is scaled different …
IMHO it should be about player skill not about outgearing content…
and in the end nothing changed…
as I said you can gear up to heroic from spamming +15 alone …
If you need more, put more effort into.
Only for the RWF players and the M+35 it is about player skill. The rest of the playerbase needs the gear to finish content.
Ye and the succes of raiding in classic is proving exackly this ye ?
Where people enjoy raids because they are super easy and after you gear up you obliterated them
Peopel liek you are cancer to wow.
you cant compare Retail to classic …
because Classic is a solved game …
why is that?
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I think your argument has some merit. I do think it is a mistake to reward the best gear for high key. This will be like Torghast where players feel forced into that content even if that’s not their preferred game content is beyond their capability level.
They could mitigate this issue by making the gear have some link to M+, set bonuses that only work in M+ etc. This would encourage M+ players to push the keys but Raiders looking to gear up faster would not be forced in there.
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