My take on the 58 boost (41yo oldschool wow player)

This “argument” must be the worse one yet. Classic TBC is still Classic.
Let me ask, what level do belves/draenei start? Why did they change questing Azeroth questing in original TBC? WHY WERE THERE NO LEVEL BOOSTS IN THE ORIGINAL TBC?

TBC is an expansion, not a seperate game. TBC starts at level 1.

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Yes it will. I know at least 10 players which are planning to boost 10+ characters to use them as profession alts and they are planning to make 5k+ gold per pay from those, we had some conversations. They already have some 60 characters and see the boost as instant extra characters.

They still get banned every now and then. Just this last month I received 5 ingame mails from Blizzard notifying me that they banned some bots that I reported. Blizzard is definitely slacking a lot with dealing bots, but they still do ban them.
This is so funny I don’t know how to respond to it any better. “Botting will happen with or without the boost.” Yes, but the world we live in isn’t a binary equation. Yes, there are bots, but with better incentives (such as offering them an instant shortcut to outland), there will be MORE. That is the magic word. MORE. Yes there are cheaters. There will be MORE of them now. Yes there are idiots who don’t know how to play the game at all. There will be MORE. Yes, there are gold sellers. There will be MORE.
An increase of quantity of every bad behavior or cheating is further EXACERBATED with paid boosts. MORE is the word you need to understand.

How is that not an advantage? I get the feeling that you are bad with dictionaries and use your own definition for everything.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/advantage
Making 10k gold every transmute cd is not an advantage to you? Having a gatherer druid character instantly and a hunter instantly for topping dps meters while you never levelled them aren’t advantages?

For a whale, levelling professions takes half an hour. I just levelled my alchemy to 300, spending 150g total today on one of my alts. The hard part is levelling the character, not the profession.
Also, you only need level 50 to max out professions in TBC. So a level 58 boost means that you can just boost a character and park it in the city forever, you don’t need to “level further” anything. Seems that you don’t have the information about TBC professions.

I want to waste my time telling you a personal story because I like to waste my time:

There was a browser game called Travian back in the day. And I have just finished my university, had a lot of free time for a year until I start my M.S programme next year. I played the game day and night and finally dominated my server, almost all through hard work. That was a garbage browser game and I had like 110 cities producing units. When a new player joined the game, he would start with 1 city and I would instantly attack him to kill his city.
One morning I woke up and I saw that there is 1 player that entered the server. He had an army of hundreds of knights and I don’t know how many legions attacking my cities. According to what me and my gf calculated, he spent around 9k euros overnight to buy those.
I quit the game and started playing a proper MMORPG that day.

Consider how many multiboxers were paying for 40 subscriptions in current classic before MBing was banned, just to wipe other guilds’ raids, earning nothing in the end. Now, imagine how many whales will be paying for earning a fortune through an army of profession alts in TBCC.
Most people that are defending boosts rigorously are 1. botters and gold sellers 2. whales that plan to dominate the server 3. activision blizzard employeers under cover 4. selfish boys who don’t care about anything but themselves 5. corporate shills 6. clueless dudes that just can’t see beyond the tip of their noses.

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Just for arguments sake:
Where does TBC starts for those who are lvl 60? at lvl 1?

At 60, but this boost isn’t aimed at people with existing characters.

In blizzard’s own words (remember, they would never lie to us!), the boost is for new players who want to hop into the game with their already 60 friends.

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But in you own words :

But in order to play TBC content in Outland one must be lvl 58 or higher.

I can argue that Belfs and Dranei’s were an addition to TBC to get more people to play the game.

TBC is an expansion on World of Warcraft.
TBC is not a separate game in itself.
World of Warcraft starts at level 1.
TBC starts at level 1.

Please please PLEASE stop defending this blatant cashgrab.

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Why?
I don’t mind it. I have no need to use it when TBCC launches as I allrdy play the class I want to play and allrdy have my potentional alt allrdy leveld up.

Furthermore: The Burning Crusade is in Outland, where we must venture to stop it’s leader: Kil’Jaeden.

If TBC starts at level 58, why is it a paid service and not something that is given to everyone across the board?

Why someone who can’t/don’t want to pay a bunch of money starts at level 1 and that does spend real life money starts at 58?

You are just trying your best but that ain’t it chief. You know as much as anyone else that selling paid services to skip content is a scummy move but you think you are the smart one and will use it to your advantage.
That ain’t it chief.

Again I must ask then, if TBC starts at level 58, why were level boosts not introduced 14 years ago in the original TBC?

Ask the developers at that time.

Beacuse Blizzard knows they can make money on it? duuh

Then why the game doesn’t start at 58 for someone who isn’t paying? Duuh boiii
Maybe there are two separate games then.

You are really trying your best to twist words and babble some more nonsense to keep the messages going, I respect that.

Don’t speak logic to them, it doesn’t work mate. Either you give them the boost or a baby bottle, which only works for a little while.
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The game starts at lvl 1, Outland the TBC expansion starts once you enter the dark portal at lvl 58 or higher.

Then someone who is playing a blood elf paladin and doing silvermoon quests thus not paying some money isn’t playing TBC but playing Final Fantasy XIV?

Gotcha boi.

One can argue that Silvermoon city belongs to the Eastern Kingdom and is related to the TBC expansion, but you dont need to be lvl 58 to enter it.

I can do this all day long son.

Are you prepared? :smiley:

And yet I do not see this crash the market in any way. 5k+ gold per day also sounds like a completely made up figure. What are they planning to craft, epic mounts?

They do not get banned during the leveling process, only after that, when they actually start botting things that people (can) report them for. This leveling process is therefore not a real inconvenience to botters, since it’s fully automated anyway. Therefore, buying a boost only speeds up something on a fresh account that isn’t an inconvenience in the first place. I can’t see how this will lead to MORE bots, simply because they could already have MORE bots than they have right now, since the leveling is fully automated and therefore no hindrance. Skipping that leveling doesn’t matter to them.

Nothing stopping them from leveling that druid or hunter prior to release, or those transmute characters (again, 10k+ is an absurd figure, by the way). Remember, we’re not dealing with fresh servers here. If we were, I’d be against boosting. The only people having a true advantage are those that played classic. Like you and I. And then, only to start off with. None of these advantages are going to matter in the long haul, because the arena season doesn’t end before everyone is fully geared, and the PvE content will die regardless of that +1 pre-bis stat.

My memory can be slightly fuzzy regarding facts from 14 years ago. Doesn’t change much of anything. As I said, I can’t see this happening at a large enough scale that it’d somehow crash the market, especially since none of it is that incredibly relevant. Hooray, a few stats extra here or there. It won’t impact arena, and it won’t impact relevant raiding.

My condolences you’ve had to deal with the horrors of ‘pay to win’ the hard way. While I do not see Activision incapable of pulling that card and in fact expect them to at some point, I do not believe they have done so here.

I fall under 7. people who are happy their friends who skipped classic vanilla now have a way to play with them in TBCC in a more convenient manner, who otherwise might’ve not bothered since the leveling process through the outdated content takes long and hasn’t been the same since classic vanilla’s launch.
And they fall under 8. people who are happy they can skip past outdated content to play TBCC rather than first having to play a scuffed version of classic vanilla, so they can play with their friends who are already at that stage.

I´ve been playing WoW for last 15 years. Im not exactly a noob, my friend :slight_smile:

The same reason Diablo 2 has a stamina bar: they are people too, and they make mistakes. Difference is, Diablo 2’s stamina bar is an objective part of the game that affects gameplay, so they will not remove it. Not having a paid boost doesn’t affect actual gameplay, so they can fix the mistake there.

TBCC’s actual content starts at 58, in Outland. Other than the addition of 1-20(ish) zones for Draeneis and Blood Elves, there’s incredibly little added to the original game. The vast majority of players are also starting in Outland during TBCC, including those that wish to level a Draenei or Blood Elf, because they get to do so prior to release.

Funnily enough, FF14 is a perfect example of a great MMORPG that is alienating a potential playerbase through forced old, outdated content. FF14 gets significantly better toward its later levels, and the endgame, while limited, due to them not wanting to spend a bigger budget on it, is great. However, you’re forced through all their old expansions first, which is where a lot of players drop off since over 95% of the playerbase is playing the current expansion, not old expansions. The same was the case for WoW, however WoW had the advantage of having a monopoly on the scene at the time, so they got away with it. Though even then, there’d probably have been a bigger playerbase if skipping to the expansion (the content everyone else was participating in) was an option then already.

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So you’re unironically saying they made a mistake by not adding boosts in the original TBC? Am i reading correct?

You blizzshills really are out in full force tonight

I am. That doesn’t mean I’m a fan of them being paid. It could’ve been as simple as giving every account that is x amount of time old, a free boost (that goes for current. Obviously wouldn’t work for back in the day). There’s a difference between hating everything they do with a passion and accepting that regardless of how flawed ActiBlizzard is these days, they can make correct decisions as well.