Accessability is the reason why we can do fun content.
Talk for yourself thank you.
Sure. Any real ugprade from mythic nylotha can only drop the last bosses for me. Yet I am still excited to go for progression bosses which drops absolutely nothing for me. Doing it cause I like doing with the guild and being part of the 20 guildy team cheer when we finally down it.
ButâŚGuess I am the weird one. Should be demanding the guild to do ONLY bosses which drop stuffz FOR ME.
Also the +18 and above people who run m+s probaaaably are doing it because they think a good corruption drops. Why else would you do a +18 or a +20? Certainly not to push your score or cause you like it.
Damn those weirdosâŚshould probably tell them that the gear is capped at +15 so not sure why some are going for +20s and above. 
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Ok what do you mean by easier access. If its for mythic difficulty, the whole point of it is to have it fixed to certain raid size in order to avoid funky scaling (see Nâzoth heroic) and provide a challange. If its for not beeing able to queue up for normal/heroic and let a in-game tool automaticly find a group for you, then see LFR.
Also define casual groups because a) you have casuals that cant get past an LFR boss with 10 stacks of determination and b) you have casual groups that dont have any issue clearing normal/heroic. Group A will wipe regardless if they have better tools because they wont use them anyway, while group B doesnt neccesaraly need better tools because theirs work just fine.
So in order to adress this whole elitists are gatekeeping content i need to further understand what you mean by âmore accesibleâ and why .
Actually youâre still doing it for the reward, because when your guildies get upgrades it indirectly benefits you. Go do mythic raid with pug and Iâll believe you.
I killed Wrathion and Maut Heroic in midnight, Iâve got Wrathion trinket from bonus roll and both Maut items, he already has 2 drops.
According to my statistics Heroic Raid had 75% drop rate.
All items except for trinket were useless though, I would trade the Maut pants to people who asked for it but I didnât, for tmog appearence, sorry lowbies not this time.
Thatâs just a dumb argument to be fair. If theyâre a team, downing bosses as a team is where the fun lies. While my raiding days are over, people who enjoy the challenge still exist.
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Canât really. I only raid with a mage and he is âsoldâ to the guild. Also pugs are always about the rewards. Not sure why some expect otherwise? I also pug weekly on rogue for raden kill in case the 2nd fist wep drops. Afterwards back to keys.
Which leaves me with 1 question. If your theory about âpeople doing stuffz only for rewardsâ then you didnât comment on why people do keys above +15 level?
Gear is capped at +15. Why are people wasting their time doing higher keys if they will get ABSOLUTELY nothing from it?(apart from a pretty number at 3rd party website)
this guy, so determined to ruin M+ while smurfing on an alt to avoid being flamed 
dude this is practically the same thread as your previous one, just forget it. M+ is here to stay and has every right just like PVP to give the gear it does.
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For once I find myself agreeing with you somewhat.
I wouldnât restrict it to once a week but at least once per day per key. So if you ran your +11 in time you could then go on to try +12 or if you failed you had a chance at a +10 etc. Much like the old heroic dungeon lockout used to be.
No acessability is reason why lot of fun content lost huge amounth of players for sake of efficienci.
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We are just playing for fun. And gearing is also part of the fun, to be honest. But i am not going to pug heroic nzoth week in week out to get the trinket.
I wonder where is my loot for all those M+ I had completed? Iâve done 69 runs on my main and 30 on my alt.
Overall I have seen, what? Four items drop? Maybe five in the entire season.
Mythic + is not as reliable as you might think. As I said on your last thread about this, most of my BIS gear comes from raiding.
Weekly chest? Not reliable either, drops gear but doesnât mean youâll equip it.
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Maybe you are that bitter in the game that you dont have fun, but we just play for fun. Today another bump our head-afternoon against tyrannical M+ bosses in higher keys than +15 where is 0 chance for loot. Why do you think we are doing it? We lose a whole day where we could have potentially get an upgrade in other content 
We already had this thread bro
Ok, so go do the first 3 mythic bosses in a pug and upload footage of you deleting any upgrades you get, then I might believe you since you only raid for fun. Also I will keep checking armory to make sure you are not using item restoration.
Oh yeah, forgot about those. I am not sure of the Skitra bow, but the Ra-den weapon is indeed something over the top. It is a must have for every agility dual wielder as far as I know.
Why are we not allowed to play for fun the content and also have the âoh look, an upgrade!â.
I want to see footage of him deleting any upgrades in mythic pug since he only does it for fun. Itâs also better because it will make it more challenging which means more fun.
So i am going to play M+ this afternoon. We are doing around +18, with like 0.1% chance of an upgrade because of corruption. Should i delete that lotery item because i am having fun?