Peaces of gear drop per raid the same. They reduced numbers of gear, meaning that u’ve got less useless gear for vendor. People gear up so fast coz of M+ before SL, but M+ in SL just option to play besides raids. Gearing will be slower ofc.
No, it’s half of what it was in BFA
I don’t see any information about that, but i know that 90% of the drop is BiS mostly. When M+ is random trash as always.
i think only the coin is removed?
No, before, 4 pieces of loot dropped for a 20 people raid on average (BFA), in Shadowlands it will be 2.
On top of that, the coin is removed.
Where was this confirmed? The ONLY loot change I’ve seen is reduced rate for m+ and at a reduced ILVL. Cant see anything anywhere, article or blue post confirming that raid loot is reduced also.
Back in my day, when you wanted to give people higher ilvl gear from dungeons, YOU MADE A NEW DUNGEON, with NEW GEAR (and often new transmog sets).
M+ is just a VERY LAZY way of making people run the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over…
Heck it’s been the ENTIRE EXPANSION and I still don’t have the BFA dungeon transmogs collected, because the items never drop.
So we should instead of running all the dungeons just run 1-2, how would that be better?
Genius
So you’re one of THOSE people who actually ENJOY doing the same dungeons after every single patch?
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what have you been smoking?
Still baffled, unsurprinsingly, how poor people are at problem solving, thinking “that’s just how it is” and being unable of coming up with alternative solutions.
You don’t need to do anything about raid and mythic+ gear. Let players who enjoy it do it and queue for random BG’s all they want.
What blizz needs to do is give casuals their own lowest tier BG bracket that allows players to set their own gear lvl preferences and range.
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Casual BG: players set a ilvl slide bar for what range they want to play with. For the current situation it could be fresh 50 players in i50-70. Nothing prevents you from putting it all the way up to i150 but that’s their problem then.
Casual BG rewards*bronze honor tokens*. -
Random BG let’s anyone play regardless of ilvl and
rewards*silver honor tokens*. -
Rated BG rewards
*gold honor tokens*
and is the top competitive mode.
Then you add 3 pvp vendors for those respectful tokens, the crappy basic one, the proper one, and the johnny awesome.
Each has their own reward tiers and a huge selection of pets, mounts, mtx, sets, trinkets that proc something special and fun, utility items, titles, weekly and daily gold/sought after material bundles etc.
Bronze sets are common alliance/horde themed basic color variants.
Silver sets got more flare to them.
Gold sets are actual 3d models with design thickness or “sculped”, with parts that move in the wind and shine so bright nobody can ignore your snowflakiness.
I mean I’m pretty casual and know this would be definately something players would love. But hey, don’t hire me, cos I would get rid of ALL the shop items that’s like crack for Activison and EA making them billions every year (instead of having stuff ingame achievement related). Sorry for not having my soul for sale, Satan. I just want a good game.
Yes 10 char.
So you are one of THOSE that prefer to see a good slice of content die after the first feew weeks unless they put something forcing you to do them?
Or you really believe they can come up with like 10 new dung every patch that would prob be obsolete for everyone doing end game already?
Also lol, M+ may last like that the entire exp, but between weekly affixes and season affixes, strategies varies a lot inside dung even thanks to smaller and more different composition.
Raid are literally the same fight from day 1 until next raid.
if it wasnt for mythic + you would not raid for a good chunk of you character ilevel. There is an insane gap between each raid level and options like questing would drain you after you complete for the fourth time, i skip bfa for the second time the most handy quest is mechagon and i just refuse doing it already.
Not really no. M+ gave a reason to log into WoW on non raid days.
I also oppose the “raid or die” philosophy. Not sure why some raiders(I am also a raider) are so insecure that they must get the best gear. And suddenly have an “inferiority complex” when m+ or rated BGs come into the picture…
Yes, I do happen to enjoy doing m+ with my friends.
Took me a weekend on different chars to get from freshly dinged to around HC ilvl through M+ alone. BiS? Nope. But plenty for anything up to HC raids. I did this in both 8.1 and 8.2.
But how? I need at least a month for that 
Do you get boosted by friends and spammed loot?
If you have friends who can armor stack with you it can take just a few hours to have full m+ gear.
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Ding => spam M+?
I have not once been boosted on any char. Just pugged. It took, what, 12-15 runs? Runs 1-5 get you from M+0 to M+10 with your own key. Rest is gearing up. Ofc I started buying the trinkets and as soon as I escaped crap level I’d do the WQs too for Azerite pieces.
And for the hell of it I didn’t link my RIO account until after I did gear them up. Again, this is not for BiS but was enough to get me geared.