Nathanos pre-patch spoilers

I know of a few Blood elves. An entire segment that was made into playable race really. And the Tauren leader.

And if you want to talk Forsaken faction, one of their two current representatives.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Calia_Menethil

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Just a quick reminder, the Forsaken are, mostly, dead humans, and they look like dead humans and have been since they were added to the Horde in Classic wich was way back in 2004.
I guess on this note I should also remind you of Nathanos’ short story, as to why he looks the way he does, a change that was even aknowledged in game at Vol’jin’s funeral.

Just a reminder ;

No where does the narrator state that you are ‘awakening’, he does however say you were a part of the Scourge and freed by Sylvanas Windrunner.
Another reminder, the Classic experience has you start of as one of relatively few Forsaken, as they aren’t the force they are come Wrath of the Lich King and certainly nothing like the forces Sylvanas Windrunner commanded during the Cataclysm and beyond.

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Love that old intro, especially with the rain in it…Blizzard built it entirely as a horror movie, and even Forsaken fans (or fans of the Undead in general) could probably not avoid to feel a chill in their backs when watching it for the first time :stuck_out_tongue:

But this was the real Blizzard after all (with Metzen and without Activision…), Forsaken should all be about this, not necessarily always horror, but doom and gloom, not…Calia Menethil and Lightforged Undead :sob:

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Didn’t we have a confirmation like a month ago the she is not a representative? S. Danuser wowhead interview.

Do not worry to early, they might leave the horde :stuck_out_tongue:

He lied.
The book treats her and Lillian as the Forsaken representatives. With both having a sit in the Horde council.

But the shadowland events are chronologically are should be later than the book events. Nah, honestly, this expansion is forcused not on the azeroth. And by the next one either there will be no factions, or she’ll get back to the alliance.

Rest in Pepperonis Nathanos, I never liked how they wrote your character or believed your character were ever horde-affiliated at one point.

Only thing that is bad , is that the forsaken is kinda spent at this point.No capital, no old characters left whatsoever.Ten outta ten writing BfA /s.

Edit: ‘‘tyrande delivered the final blow’’ love how they especially mention that part tho, you put up with annoying nathanos entire expac, endure his over-acting condescending lines, then malfurion-my-love is the one who kills him.

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Well, chronology involved seems rather irrelevant to this particular aspect.

The only way to undo what was said in the novel, would be if there was some explicit content/plot that had Calia stepping down of said newly acquired position come SL.
And it’s obvious that won’t be the case.

Yes, Danuser said Calia wouldn’t lead the Forsaken…he also said we would have clarification regarding the Horde motives in this war, that Sylvanas wasn’t going to be Garrosh 2.0, and that this war was to be considered as “morally grey”.

Facts matter more than words. And the fact is, that the latest canon lore source, states Calia is acting as Forsaken representative alongside Lillian. With a chair and voice in the Horde Council.

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Well, I had a big break from wow, so now I am rediscovering the changes to both gameplay and story sides. And one of things that stands out to me is that people see some things as inevitability, but when I look at it all I can say is “sure, that could be the case, but it is not the only way this story could go”.

Same with Calia. We had 2 very fitting moments for her to become the leading figure: when Sylvanas left, and during the prepatch so that we could dive into the new part of the story. Yet that did not happen, since by the time Calia gets into shadowlands, she is not in that position. So IMO this is not inevitability. But probably this all would be an offtop here :smile:

And yeah, speaking of Nathanos, it is actually a funny story: Sylvanas left him alone, and it is us, the players (with some assistance), who help them to reunite by sending Nathanos into the Maw.

The reason why i think that won’t come to pass in Shadowlands is because of 2 reasons:

  1. They just put her in said position. And the novel highlights the fact that the rest of characters are aiming at making her grow into it.They won’t have said particular development last little more than a book.
  2. We’ve had enough information regarding the Shadowlands (Beta/Alpha), and additional interviews from Blizzard that clarify they wont address the Forsaken leadership issue in Shadowlands.

So yes, Calia is currently one of the Forsaken representatives. And will probably remain such throughout Shadowlands.

Seriously considering going traitor pahahaha. I think I have PTSD guys :frowning:

Well, I do not really know what to tell you other than to point out that the interview says exactly that she is not in shadowlands as representative. Her role is likely won’t be revealed till the next expansion.

My theory as to why some players see think that only this path can exist is because they think that having part of the forsaken in the alliance is not a possibility. Except that Calia is also the first forsaken character ever that could precisely fit the bill.

No worries. Technically there is nothing in the game that would state that Nathanos cannot part his ways with Sylvanas and to lead the forsaken as a memory about what he loved about her. Not saying this won’t will happen, but it’s not like it’s impossible.

Besides, there are plenty of characters that could fit the leadership role among the horde forsaken. And like no alternative among the forsaken to Calia, when it comes to who could be accepted by the common folks of the alliance.

I’m just tired. At this point I think it’s best we stop worrying about lore much and just enjoy the gameplay, if we managed to do that. Like hunting Nathanos and Sylvanas as Forsaken right now feels like being Alliance, but at least they have a reason for it.

Even if she turns a hero and all that, the whole story will be a massive stick in the a$$.

As I said before, it is funny that after Sylvanas left him aside, we, as players, help them to reunite. :exploding_head:

That certainly is an option. I did not play the game for a long time because I could not care less about it after all the “you do not see the bigger picture” answers and the only reason I am interested in shadowlands is because the current approach of the dev leads is “we’re listening to the feedback”.

As a result I think this is the best received expansion in a long time. So maybe that would be a hint for the writers there that maybe, just maybe, the community is not the enemy and being more clear and open could be a good thing, just like what we see with the gameplay. Maybe even gasp listening to the feedback could make players more engaged.

Oh well, only time will tell.

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Don’t forget that Blizzard makes a game for players who do not read spoilers, and do not know anything about future events.

Killing Nathanos will be a shock content, because we do not know yet that all the souls are coming into Shadowlands. When we will enter Shadowlands and where we will find out the truth, it will be surprise for us, but we will see Nathanos again there.

Blizzard always doing it like that. First a shock content (for Nathanos fans), later rehabilitation.


Same thing was planed for Night Elves. In 8.0 Pre-patch, Night Elves lose all their cities, all their lands, all their armies, half of their entire race. Also lose the faith in their god.
Fans got a shock content and were thinking that their race is no more.
But right away, in 8.0.5 we got rehabilitation. Night Elves reunites, and retakes their lands back, without human potential. Becoming savage Elves from Warcraft 3, bringing terror on the Darkshores.
Ion told in interview, that Night Elves are not tree hugging hippies. And NE fans were happy again:

Of course the idea was realized rally bad. Instead of what was told for us, we had received totally different stuff.
Tyrande was shown weak (even with Elunes power, she needed a help from Malfurion to defeat Nathanos). Nathanos manage to finish his task and rise Undead Night Elves. Undead Night Elves joined the Horde on their own will. The main enemy on the Darkshores was again Night Elf, and we had to kill our own race.
And even Beta cut scene where Tyrande celebrate victory on the DarkShores was never made it to a life.


I guess the reason why Tyrande kills Nathanos right now, is just a BugFix for Darkshores scenario. Just a small bone that Blizzard trows for Night Elves, knowing that Nathanos will appear again anyway later.

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I wonder if it weren’t for the Jailor messing things up…if Nathanos wouldn’t end up in Bastion or something.
I mean, he lived his life in servitude of others…and he did it all for love :wink:
Isn’t that kind of their thang :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh ;

Why do you just assume Tyrande needed Malfurion’s help to begin with?
She’s the one that one-shotted Brynja and sent us running, not Malfurion…he was just acting as a nice punching bag.

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Well, at 50% of the battle, Nathanos cast a stun on Tyrande, and later cast Kill Shoot. Tyrande uses Shadowmelt ability and runs away into the forest.
Nathanos says - come now, you cannot hide from me…

After that Tyrande appears again with a words - We stand as one. Returning to a battle together with Malfurion…

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Wait sooo….basicly Tyrande outplays muh mighty Nathanos, then comes back with a vengeance and sends Him, the Horde champion, Syra, the other val’kyr who’s name I sadly forgot and Delaryn running…and this is…an issue for you?
I mean, what was the actual point of malfurion being there, anyway, getting hit in the face and casting random roots every now and then.

So I take it, the only acceptable outcome would have been Tyrande, one shooting Brynja, one shooting Sira(because come on, she’s not that interresting anyway), one shooting Nathanos (preferable with some decapitation, I’m guessing), instantly turning Delaryn back to live and sanity, and oneshooting the Horde champion instantly deleting their char- no! their account.
Ah yess…that would’ve been satisfying enough, preferably all of that in one blink of the eye and a nice cinematic after with a smug mafluriom sweet talking and fawning over his moonbae while pointing and laughing at the smoldering pile of corpses…Man, Blizzard really hates the Night Elves :frowning:

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That is true. But he would need to arrive to the same place as Sylvanas. Maybe some bribe to arbiter to end up in Maldraxxus would suit them better. They would not like venthyr parties I suppose :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

Maybe the devs will finally stop killing the dark val’kyrs. I feel that they deserve a moment of hope too, something positive. Oh well, time will tell if they writers will use Genn+Eyir for something or just ignore it.

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Because for all the buildup, the night warrior absolutely sucked. The fact that she had trouble against an undead with a bow and a val’kyr just makes her look weak.

What should have happened, is that Nathans takes a quick look at the Night warrior, and orders everyone on his team to retreat immediatly. He get’s to live on, and the Night warrior is depicted as the force of nature that it is.

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