This is a general problem with the Alliance factions leaders characters being way more powerful than the Horde ones actually so Blizzard should fix it, otherwise the Alliance will always have to look dumb and weak when fighting against the Horde even if they have those amazing powers
and the Night Elves shouldnât have got the night warrior ritual and transformation anyway to fight the Horde, they were more powerful than enough even normally as beforeâŠ
just because Teldrassil burned they got it, but to be fair to make things more even itâs a Horde race that should have got a new ritual transformation to being able to keep up with Night Elves or Alliance in general
so Blizzard is indeed focussing way too much on Night Elves just because the tree burnedâŠI understand Night Elves players but you are playing a powerful race without the Night Warrior already, and for the genocide committed by Sylvanas, I think either Tyrande or Maiev (probably Maiev) said to Lady Vashâj in WC3 that the Night Elves have committed a lot of genocides against countless hostile races (not just trolls) in Kalimdor (during the Long Vigil, and probably before that period too) and for that reason they were not afraid of fighting against the Naga now, so itâs not like Night Elves have never committed a genocide or invaded anyone themselves after all
It was Maiev and it was a lie! https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ask_CDev#Ask_CDev_Answers_-_Round_3
In Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Maiev Shadowsong mentions the night elves wiping out various races in the past. Was this just bluster, or have they actually engaged in genocidal campaigns?
Maiev may not be the most balanced individual on Azeroth, but she does understand the value of intimidating her enemies. The night elves have never completely wiped out a species, though they have engaged in brutal and efficient campaigns of total war that have shattered their enemiesâ civilizations, such as the War of the Satyr, in which they completely decimated any semblance of central leadership for the satyrs, forcing them to live in small sects to this day.
Nathanos came there with 2 valâkyrs, with a couple of soldiers and player, to rise Sira and Delaryn. It was his mission. Tyrande came with a player and a group of worgens to stop them, and to kill Nathanos. It was their mission.
When the battle starts, players were fighting against mobs. Valâkyrs were busy casting a spell to rise Sira and Delaryn. While Tyrande was fighting against Nathanos 1on1.
Nathanos have forced Tyrande to run away into forest. Tyrande have called Malfurion to help. After than Malfurion started to fight against Nathanos. While Tyrande with a player started to fight against Brynja.
While player + Night Warrior were fighting against Valâkyrs, they managed to rise Sira and Delaryn anyway. And only when Brynja was at 10 % hp, Tyrande cast a spell and finish Brynja off.
The Horde leaves the battle, with successfully completed mission. While Alliance stays there with failed mission.
So what did this scenario showed? That the powers of Night Warrior is not enough to kill 1 Dark Ranger. And that the powers of the Archdruid Malfurion and powers of the Night Warrior is not enough to stop a couple of the Horde soldiers to complete their mission.
And now we know that Tyrande is going to die, because mortal cannot hold the powers of the god. Powers that did not gave any benefits yet.
Damn, we know that others Night Warriors managed to defeat Old Gods, and Tyrande was not able do defeat even Nathanos . . .
this is valid for Sylvanas and the Horde too thenâŠif Blizzard intends genocide as wiping out a whole race completely like in this textâŠit didnât happen with burning of Teldrassil because Night Elves are still aroundâŠthe Horde just âshattered their civilization and decimated them in a brutal and efficient (pragmatic) campaign of total warâ so this text is valid for the Horde too as they did exactly like the Night Elves with the Satyrs and others in the past and so maybe this is not really genocide for Blizzard unless the race is completely wiped out and totally disappear from Azeroth
I thought about Maldraxus too, but Bastion seemed a beter fit.
I think Bastion would be a good fit for Ranger general Sylvanas Windrunner too.
Maldraxus for the Banshee queen, if it werenât for the jailer?
I think you bring up some good points about the ValâkyrâŠwhy did they initiate this pact? Why with Sylvanas Windrunner?
And indeed, what is their angle, whatâs in it for them? Because it seems blatantly one sided right now.
Oh btw. If you complete the Hordeâs questline in Darkshore you get Brynjaâs Lantern, wich will allow you to see Brynja upon death instead of this generic spirit healer, I havenât actually used it myself( I never actually put much thought into it untill I read your posts)
So, supposedly, Sylvanasâ Valâkyr take her place in the MawâŠbut Brynja is here to greet us when we dieâŠhow?
That is an unclear story. Maybe it would be worth looking at in more detail. But why Sylvanas is a good question. Like, literally after they all left Ice Crown, the place closest to the helm of domination and shadowlands, they hesitate to bring back Sylvanas. And they just talk about the pact.
Kinda sad story to be honest.
What they were looking for
We hunger for our freedom, as you once hungered for yours.
What they got
Sylvanas glanced at the implacable visage of the ghostly battle maiden. âIt is an arduous endeavor, one they are reluctant to undertake. Without the Lich Kingâs energies feeding them, I believe it requires a portion of their own essence to succeed.â She turned toward him. âBut it is my desire, so it will be done.â
The Valâkyr knelt in one corner. The creature, who had seemed so immense and implacable, now appeared small and defenseless.
Amusement laced her voice, but he sensed delight in it as well. Was she pleased that the mighty Valâkyr had been bent to her will, or was she simply relishing the acquisition of a new toy?
Oh well, weâll see where itâs all going. They could kill them. Or, since Genn freed Eyir, maybe that could be a strart to free them.
My head canon is that Calia could go all-in in her desire to âprove worthy of the name Menethilâ and try to fix what Arthas did. And gather the ramains of the scourge. Could be interesting story actually.
Theirs is a sad story, indeedâŠI also hope it gets a follow up and not just forgotten.
Coming expac will probably reveal more , perhaps weâll get to help them.
Well, Sylvanas doesnât need them, since she canât even really die for now because she would just go back to the Maw.
Also, there is this mystery of ever increasing number of valâkyrs to raise her, so the pact is probably canât even be fulfilled by the nine, since too few of them are left.
If anybody could know about powers of valâkyrs, including the pact, that would likely be no just Helia, but also Eyir.
Eyir was freed by Genn. And if breaking the pact would weaken Sylvanas, why would he not ask for a favour? Except, the caveat that he would do it just for the alliance, unless the devs force him to act out of character. As well as Eyir was caught by the horde member and freed by an alliance one.
Genn would likely just prefer to kill them, just like almost everyone in the alliance and the hord would either try to use them or kill. But there is Calia who seems to indiscriminately offer help.
So now weâre missing just one thing: does anybody other than the nine and Sylvanas know about the pact?
And itâs also possible that the devs placed all the motivations and needed story elements only not to place the final one and drop that story line.
Then why even do it? Why make Tyrande go through a ritual that will seemingly lead to her death, if it wasnât even a powerup? May I remind you that Nathanos lost against Genn handily in stormheim, and I doubt that Genn is stronger than the Night warrior.
It just seems like 8.1 was supposed to be a âhell yeahâ moment for the night elves, atleast in the eyes of Blizzard. And then they completely failed in delivering. But I guess thatâs bfa in a nutshell.
The power up she was granted boosted the Night elf army to the point they singlehandedly drove the Horde out of Darkshore without the help of the rest of the Alliance forces.
Thatâs the whole point of widespread black eyed troops going about the zone.
I donât know why it gets so hard for some people to note this: the ritual empowered not only Tyrande, and itâs consequences arenât restricted to her actions alone.
Feeling dissatisfied with individual feats doesnât negate the fact that it was thanks to said ritual that the Night elves were capable of singlehandedly win an entire warfront.
And what are the gilneans then? Hot air?
There were more alliance forces than just the Night elves. And that doesnât take way from the fact that Nathanos should never have been able to stand toe to toe against the Night warrior and malfurion. Not with two valâkyr, or twenty of them. It was an idiotic decision that only furthered the anger of Alliance players.
Or maybe Night Elves did not burn down alive civilians with their children, like Horde did?
And that is why Blizzard did not call Night Elves war against Demons as Genocide, like they did in the Horde case?
Their mission was to rise undead Night Elves.
They done it. No strongest Arch Druid in WoW history, or High Priestess of the Elune with a powers of the God could stop them.
Iâm a 10,000+ year old HIGHBORNE. I lived in Zin-Azshari, born there and wielded and saw powers beyond Hellaynneaâs dizziest daydreams. Blightcaller insulted me every step throughout my journey and I think I should have been the one to kill such a man - insulting a beautiful elven woman from the jewel-city of the ancient elven empire. How old is heâŠ34? Yeah, Iâm 11,549 - my bloodline status, plus where Iâm from and where Iâve lived and what Iâve seen is enough for me to be the one to end BlightcallerâŠnot the lowborne, Tyrande.
Compared to the overall militar effort the Night elves devoted? Quite insignificant.
And yes, fact remains that the ritual granted the Night elves the boost they required to win the warfront from the Horde at a time when not even Anduin was willing to lend them any additional troops.
Compared with the joint effort requires to defend Arathi? Yeah, Night elves won in Darkshore pretty much by themselves.
I donât care about any of that. Blizzard was the one that made up this whole ritual thing.
And just as they did such, they have about the same capability to invent reasons as to why Nathanos was able to fend them off for some time.
Jailer empowerment? Champion aid? Pick your choice.
Fact remains, that the hyperbole regarding some âuseless powerupâ falls quite flat the second players are shown an entire zone bristling with some roided Night elf soldiers that make the entire Horde fall back.
Lorâthemar obviously has a personal thing with Nathanos, as many other elves that were envious of his skills and abilities. While he was a bit of a jerk even when he was alive, I think itâs safe to say he also had reasons. Breaking through the elves ranks must have been really hard. I imagine they didnât take his promotion lightly.
I didnât have issues with said line, because given the clarification regarding the context, it seems to signal more on the sort of rivalry LTT had with Nathanos.
Its less about him being objectively right, and more to do with his own opinion regarding him seeping in.
Itâs even stranger a statement if you consider how ( living )Nathanos was described by Bolvar/Varian in the old quest chain- ânoble and respected by allâ âa tactical genius whose accomplishments were unprecedentedâ. They couldnât believe that someone like him was the same âmonsterâ as the Blightcaller.
A braggart and a bully? Yeah, not so much.
Definitely, and the feeling was mutual. In Dark Mirror, Sylvanas seemed to be rather amused about the rivalry between the two of them.
Indeed. And I absolutely do have a problem that Lorâthemar states it as a fact instead of his personal bias. Many who read this and donât know Nathanosâ backstory wonât even notice the difference.
Lorâthemar could have said a lot of bad things about Nathanos after he became the Blightcaller. It was unnecessary to retroactively dishonor his memory and make him âalways a jerk, even in lifeâ.
Didnât Golden do something similar to Arthas in her book?
I guess Blizz writing just canât help it, there just canât be any grey, if the character is now evil, they were Always dubious and unlikableâŠ.I guess the story really needs to be kept that simple.
