Best gear?
Realistically speaking; there is no difference between 1400 gear and 2100 gear. It only matters in unranked BGs and Skirmishes.
When does the realistic speaking start?
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? What. Are you trying to say something?
I mean its still like 13 ilvls, hardly nothing.
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Trying to understand why you think there is âno differenceâ between 1400 and 2100 gear when there is an absolutely astronomical difference between the two.
Disagree? Substitute your gear for 1400 gear, queue arenas, let us know how you do 
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Well the subject was âpower progressionâ. In this regard, there is no difference between 1400 and 2100 in terms of power. Because your power level is relative to others.
For example, in M+, there is power progression because after such progression you are able beat something, which has a fixed strength (+15 key for example), that you couldnât before. You couldnât do +15 keys with 210 ilvl, now you can with 233. And +15 key always have the same strength.
In arena though, lets say you are playing at the 1600 cr with 249 ilvl against⌠well, 249 ilvl players (often). You got good at the game, climbed to 2100 and now have 259 ilvl⌠well, again, against 259 ilvl people. You did not get stronger against an enemy that had a fixed strength. Your opponents always have the same ilvl as you (again, often).
Thatâs a lot of waffling for quite frankly a lot of garbage.
I challenge you, since there is âno differenceâ, substitute your full 246 + ilvl pieces with the 1400 rated gear. Record and queue your 2v2 games, and if you manage to increase your rating by letâs say 50 points in one session with the 1400 gear, Iâll give you 1 million gold. Then, you canât use the âI didnât have duelist gearâ because if that statement enters your thought process, youâve lost the argument. (you kind of already have, saying there is no difference between 1400 and 2100 is one of the most insane things Iâve read on these forums).
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Since this is EU, I am going to assume English is not your 1st language. Thus, I am okay with you not understanding my point.
But, to not understand and act in a derogatory manner, that I am not okay with.
Read again, carefully, and try to understand what I meant because you didnât just miss the point, you ran away from it with a speed that would put H.Bolt in shame.
It is.
Yep, so if you take a player with 1400 rated gear and place them against a player with 2100 rated gear, the 2100 rated player crushes them every time. Therefore, this statement:
Is EXTREMELY false.
What you seem to actually mean from this, albeit being sort of a backtrack, is that players with 1400 gear vs other players with 1400 gear has no âpowerâ difference compared to players with 2100 v other players with 2100 gear. Which isâŚcommon sense? Players with the same ilvl gear have the same power level, whoâd have thought? Very insightful analysis from you.
This sentence shows you simply didnât understand my point.
Okay how about this. I will explain in a very clear way.
The subject is PvP gearing, right? Okay. Blizzardâs argument is that they like this system because in their mind âhard work and improvementâ is attached to âpower progressionâ. This is their argument, used in the US community council forum.
What I said in my comment is not that âgear doesnât matter in ranked arenaâ. What I said was âthere is no power progression in ranked arenaâ.
Now lets think for a moment as to what is âpower progressionâ for a moment. Assume your character does 10 damage and you have a mob with 10 HP. You kill it in 1 hit. If you were to up the strength of your character and started hitting 15 to that 10 HP mob; would it matter? No. In theory, you had âpower progressionâ but in reality it doesnât matter. For power progression to exist you need stronger enemies that you couldnât beat before. Because âpowerâ is RELATIVE to others. In the given example, you improving from 10 damage to 15 damage means nothing; because in that world there is only 1 mob with 10 HP. Your power progression is meaningless.
Hence, i gave the m+ example. With 222 ilvl you may not be able to do +15 keys; but you may with 252 ilvl. There is something you couldnât beat but now you can due to progression in power.
Now, as for ranked arena. Obviously, this is appliable in a perfect world. But the argument is there to disprove Blizzardâs idea of âpower progressionâ.
In arena; lets say you are playing in the 1400 - 1600 bracket. You have 249 ilvl, theoretically, your opponents will have the same ilvl.
Now lets say, you have improved your gameplay, found a partner you are on sync with and climbed all the way up to 2100 and now you have 259 ilvl. Hereâs the thing; now your opponent too has the same ilvl, just like they did in the 1400 - 1600 bracket.
To apply this to my 10 dmg - 10 HP mob example; its like now you can hit 15 but mob has 15 HP, when you climb to 20 dmg, mob will have 20 HP and so on.
Thats why I said there is no âpowe progressionâ in ranked arena. Because you are not âover poweringâ or âcatching up with a fixed power levelâ against something.
Of course you can say people with PvE gear, boosted people, RBG people etc. have higher ilvl in comparison to their arena rating but this has nothing to do with my point. My point was about Blizzardâs argument of âpower progressionâ and how it did not exist in ranked arena.
1 counter argument could be the usage of this gear outside PvP but then we would just say, scale it to max in PvP; leave only the PvE ilvl upgradeable.
This entire view on the gearing system is far too simplistic. You assume that everybody playing on x rating is playing with the exact same amount of gear, the exact same sockets, etc. Not everybody playing at 2100 is 259 ivl, not everybody playing at 1600 is 249 ilvl. My alt sp is 246 ilvl with 2100 cr and those games are more of a tryhard sweat than my 2800 mmr main games. Therefore, there IS a difference between the gear ranks.
Stop trying to overcomplicate something that is extremely simple in an attempt to sound smart.
Dude I literally explained this part.
I am done. Wonât be replying back anymore.
Because youâre beyond clueless.
The most nonsensical, most deluded and incredibly false statement I have ever read on these forums.
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On ignore list for the blatant toxicity and ignorance.
Almost every single point you make is contradictory.
Trying to sound somewhat intelligent so hard while you are obviously not the brightest candle.
I guess I know why your character is called Inagony since it must be truly agonizing to have such a small brain
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Honor grind is fine but not premades, if u canât get honor u not worth it.
Why? In one day I had full honor gear with at least 2/7, and in one week it was fully upgraded, I don´t know what´s all the fuss.
i happened to grind honor on my hunt on the bonus honor week
now on my rogue itâs so annoying
the grind itself isnt even the worst part, its the gear disparity. Itâs just isnt fun to grind it while standing in gy whole bg
Visiting forums often; certain names pop left and right and one realizes the obvious trolls. On the ignore list you go.
You arenât fully upgraded on any piece of gear?