That’s not the point and you know that. The point is that Void Elves will have access to a second visual theme with the inclusion of these new skin colors which makes them by default a more diverse race than their established parent race.
If you get your way they’ll be an objectively inferior version since Alliance players will always have that extra choice that Blood Elves won’t.
Well people are asking for Dark Ranger options. And we are asking for high elf options. Just ask what you want to see.
And blood elves will have access to lots of features that’s not available for the Alliance players. You won’t become inferior at all.
But it’s too late for that now. There won’t be any more stuff coming our way for the foreseeable future whereas Allied races are still being worked on. Blizzard had their chance and missed it.
Oh, really like what? Are you going to bring up that useless list again that has absolutely no bearing on our physical appearance in the world?
Having a few extra skin colors is not extra diversity especially since they will still have Voidy colored hair, until blizzard proves otherwise and adds hair colors, which I’ll doubt they will do anytime soon. (Maybe just black or voidy colors).
Skin colors are the ONLY thing they borrowed from the Blood elves. The blue eyes we got from the Allliance High elf NPC’s which the blood elves got as well.
Besides isn’t Demon Hunter a kind of diversity? It comes with tattoos/blindfolds/ horns/ etc. Void elves can’t be Demon hunters, but blood elves Can along with Paladins.
Again. This is a high demand from the alliance players and I’m glad blizzard finally did it. We aren’t trying to be blood elves, nor are we trying to steal anything from you. We simply got more natural looking Void elves with void colored hair
And that is why we need to ask for KT hair colors instead of blood elf ones.
I don’t wanna pay to much attention to the back and forth going on here, i just some natural hair colors for Void Elves and i forever will be grateful. A couple blonde and light brunette shades are not going to harm anyone, and Vereesa silver could be a interesting one, they can easily make these lighter and “dimmer” than the Blood Elf ones, or closer to the Human or Kul’Tiran tones.
There are also many colors for the Void-corrupted side of them, Void corruption appear to show in many colors in the game, from purple to blue, white to black, orange to red, there’s a lot of potential here.
So, here’s a list of hair color suggestions i imagined:
Sort of natural hair colors:
Silver, icy blonde, sandy blonde, bleached brunette.
Just 4 hair color option, nothing compared to Blood Elves 13.
Void-corrupted colors:
Pure white and black, deep red, burgundy, magenta.
Oh…My…Gods…
Right. This is the reason people are getting annoyed “We’re not asking for any extra stuff, oh, apart from this extra stuff that you don’t get!”
“What happened to just looking the same, y’know, the way they do in game?”
“No, we have to look different, so we need extra stuff”
What is wrong with a thought process that can’t go “Yeah, as a splinter of the core race, asking for stuff the core race doesn’t get is a bit unrealistic and unfair”?
So are you derailing the thread then? Because this was about Blood and Void Elves. Its now -ALL- about High Elves. Yet Again!
Why not? Blizzard did when they released them without finishing the models.
No. There is -a- community that would love to play High Elves. Don’t say Huge, that is misleading, because over here the High Elf community can’t even agree on what they want, and some people want crazy things.
Draw a Line. Where is the Line?
You need to set a Line. Where is the Line? Until you can draw that, you don’t deserve High Elves.
They are emphatically -NOT- Alliance.
The nation of Quel’thalas, the High Elves who call themselves Blood Elves are Horde.
Stop trying to rewrite lore to make your argument, Lorewise, High Elves are 90% Horde, and less than 10% Alliance (As some simply have not picked a side)
I’m starting to very rapidly see what kind of player is wrong with this game. My conclusions are not the same as yours. Normal hair colours and High Elf Skins should be enough. Nothing more. If you ask for anything more, then that is the problem.
Incorrect. Blizzard themselves state that the surviving ‘High Elves’ are a race in name only, nothing more. It -was- an insignificant number. To be precise it was 1% of the original population of Quel’thalas. By any sensible definition, that is an insignificant number.
Raids and Dungeons, and mount farming. You can get Hawkstriders and Dragonhawks that way.
Given the thread title, it would be nice to hear from some of them?
Did you miss the post asking for the essential deletion of the Blood Elven playable race by one of the frequent posters here?
Good for you. Thats nice. I main a Blood Elf. I don’t want to see that. it would be culturally insensitive and a carcrash lorewise.
No, you’re -telling- us we -can- have Dark Ranger options, neither you, nor the people who want some rubbish Sylvanas fantasy speak for the majority.
I don’t want that, plenty of people don’t want that, why is that the ‘go-to’ “Oh you can have this” as if we’re supposed to go “Gee, Thanks” when in fact it is a very, very small minority that want that.
Just give Void Elves the options of some normal hair colours as well as normal skins and leave it alone, anything more, tell them to shut their gobs and have done.
I never asked for anything more, I’m clearly 100% happy with the beta customization. But I will get defensive when someone says the beta customization is a mistake and should be removed.
Why remove the happiness and excitement of others? If it’s in beta it’s already confirmed wether they like it or not. (I’m talking about the blue eyes and skin colors here, nothing more)
Apologies for the misquoting, Your requests are entirely reasonable and I think should be rolled out for Void Elves, I’d go as far as other natural hair colours, but thats just me.
You and I are on entirely the same page when it comes to expectations., as I say, my apologies if that was misconstrued.
There’s really not many people arguing anything here, is really not a good measure of how many people agree or disagree with either side on this. You like to claim a lot of people agree with you with no evidence, but the truth is that your opinions are yours alone.
They don’t in general, except the new ones.
What is the likelihood of the blood elves being mistaken with any of those races? They are distinctive enough. Again the problem isn’t sharing a couple of skins colours (although I think they went overboard with giving void elves all the blood elf skins colours), the problem is having no significant visual distinction between two races, specially in different factions. Visual identity might be meaningless for you, but it means something for me.
1 you are right on that many people are not on here. But who are on here do call us thieves and such. And second I am part of a discord full of high elf fans and Normal hair colors and styles are reasonable options to want.
Yeah, because it’s not toxic to oppose something no matter what by disregarding any logic and love for the game and it’s lore lol
As I said, blame the antis who thought it was fine to gatekeep something so unharmful in such over the top way that made sense on the basis of it already existing in the history of the game for more than 20 years.
I play a Blood elf, and will do, regardless if people can play High elves now with the new options for Void elves, these are for me to kill in PvP, I was never interested in playing one.
Funny thing is that it’s not going to be me who will get salty when a High elf kills me in PvP because it’s a High elf lol
This still does not make high elves an alliance race. Its a horde race has been for 14 years. Alliance players are mad because we got them and that is the main problem here. For some reason you thought it would be alliance race and blizzard decided otherwise.
I’d like people to stop comparing pandaren into this situation, blood elves and void elves arent neutral race. Also the body jewelry please…i hope it wont come back it was dumb idea from the start. Not many of us run around naked, otherwise you cannot see any of the jewelry they were gonna give us.
Then the high elves walking in the alliance would say otherwise you cant deny that high elves are apart of the alliance anymore.
Pandaren are an interesting issue.
I know there are those who say “it wasn’t a mistake, GC didn’t work for blizzard when he said it.” But there’s a lot of anecdotal signs blizzard haven’t sat comfortably with the decision to make a race “cross faction” when they share a huge pot of narrative and differ only on philosophical principle/politics:
Pandaren are immensely underplayed. People joke “no one likes gnomes” - pandarens on both factions are less played than gnomes. So nobody likes pandaren? This could well be the case, of course. We shouldn’t however discount the possibility that in a game where arguably one of your biggest choices is “picking a side” with unique themes and stories, picking a race that looks exactly the same as one on the other side isn’t appetising. Nothing to say this would be the case here though, but worth a note: the next point is more significant.
it dooms the racial narrative to one of stagnation and difficulty. Pandaren haven’t had their faction representatives have a significant hand in the story since MoP, and even then their biggest debut was a couple of zones only (timeless isle and Vale). Tushui and Huojin receive no major development in the stories of their factions, why? Because unlike other races, their “core” racial story cannot be progressed meaningfully because it belongs to two opposing factions, and you can’t have the destiny of the race progressed by one side in a “normal” manner - everything has to revolve around their opposition to the other or their faction choice, as that’s the principle reason they belong to the faction.
What I mean by this is races like worgen, nelf, gnomes, belf, draenei etc receive lots of development about their races that have nothing to do with their opposition to the other faction, be it racial redemption, losing a city, rediscovering heritage, etc. Pandaren cannot have that unless the two sides that are supposed to be opposed come together to do it - which makes no sense if their faction choice means anything. So this is why we have no development on Pandaren narrative outside of neutral Pandaren, because if you have Tuishui making strides in Pandaren story, the matter becomes “why not huojin?” And if they do it together, the question becomes “why are they on opposite factions then?”.
This is a potential issue where you have a race with the same core narrative underneath their faction allegiance, how do you develop it in a way that preserves their faction identity without reducing them to it?
Belf have the restoration of Silvermoon, preservation of the Sunwell, their continual working with their relationship with magic, the rangers and their historical beef with forest trolls etc. All themes ripe to explore that don’t necessarily involve the Horde proper. Arguably Helf have identical themes, they are the same race after all. But how do you explore these in a way that maintains the two opposing each other? If you let belf explore these themes, Helf become defined entirely by their opposition to Belf and lack narrative. So in a future where the faction war cools, where does their story go? The problem is reversed if Helf explore these themes and belf don’t. If both explore them, their opposition becomes meaningless. Something has to give.
This is why as much as I support velf being able to look like a Helf, they must in my opinion remain velf in terms of narrative, as it maintains a distinct theme to explore that doesn’t pigeonhole them into being a one dimensional manifestation of their factions opposition to the other - the void, and this is a fairly unique angle as no other race has such a theme, and it contrasts with the “reborn in the light” of the belf.
If the customisations are presented as a “in lore, Helf are now major actors outside of identifying as velf” you run into the above problem with their narrative being reduced to factionalism, or belfs being reduced to this.
This is where the line is for me. Lookswise you can be a Helf, pale skin blonde hair blue eyes and all. However as far as the story is concerned, you’re a velf, you’re simply a different looking Velf like Alleria is. Your story still concerns harnessing the void for good, and the belf still primarily hate you based upon perceived threat to the sunwell. Expecting the story to now become one of “the high elves” being explored alliance side is naive - belf have already developed that story irrespective of what they’re called, their story is still that “of the high elves” and the alliance remnants need something different to distinguish them so as to preserve the integrity of both races and avoid a “pandagate” on their stories becoming unusable.
It is up to the player themselves to determine what their character actually is, how their personal story develops etc. The game covers broad racial themes only, but for the health of cogent storytelling in a general sense, the alliance thalassian story the game should revolve around is void elves, both blue and normal looking ones, and how they grapple with this identity, what they are and what the were. Not trying to compete with belf for their narrative.
In the same way it is naive to expect that the “sand troll” customisation options should result in the horde story now widely acknowledging the sand trolls and their narrative development. It’s unrealistic, it allows you to decide how you look and what you are, that’s it. The game will be pulled in two many directions otherwise (and antagonistic ones In the case of helf and belf).
So looks only.
No new classes
No new race name tags
No ways to “excuse or ignore” your racial ability.
Because allowing the above signals the race is not what it is presented as I narrative terms, and thus begs it to be treated in narrative (which begets the problems of 2. ) Or its completely ignored in narrative terms with no explanation whatsoever, so you’ll have a section of the playerbase running around as a race that is distinct, but isn’t really dealt with by the game at all which feels crap (anyone who plays pandaren will know what I’m talking about)
Just my two cents. Sorry for wall of text.
Tbh there are many things the blood elves could get to make them diffrent from the Velf/High elf naritive Dark rangers, San’layn, Lightforged, maybe leaning more to the fell elves. I mean it’s all possible. But hey this is my opinion ofc.
Changing the story of a race that already has one into something only a minority of the playerbase has signalled they like, so the opposite faction can begin playing the story they once had is an absolutely outrageous suggestion to me
People rolled belf knowing what they are. Turning their story into one of vampires and undead ranged just so alliance thalassian players have a story to work with is unacceptable. Especially so when they already have one (the narrative of the void elves)
I mean we already have high elves in the alliance. and there are already High elves and blood elves learning to harness the void from alleria and lotuswalker. So it would not be so strange to assume we would get Normal hair colors and some normal hairstyles. (And not the blood elf kind.) Like I said before many times give us the KT hair colors and some alliance hairstyles or change the void elf hair more to braided hairstyles instead of those void tentacles.
The suggestions I had made earlier about having fel and undead options for blood elves wasn’t a way to change their story, but to represent better the different aspects of the race. I don’t want them to change the focus of the blood elf story into one of undead and fel users, but to give those blood elves that are undead and fel users better customization options that aren’t tied to specific class.
That also doesn’t mean I’m ok with giving void elves any more options to look like blood elves. Each race should have their own visual identity, and giving distinctive options to both doesn’t mean they should share options that allow the members of one race to be mistaken for the members of another race.