No, they’re not the exact same toward the end, as I have said. But other players, when they pick their talents, seem to gravitate toward the same choices for most of the talent tree.
However, exactly as I have said:
There’s barely any difference for the majority of these talent trees, save for the bottom part, and indeed if I asked people to quickly glance at these on the street, they most likely couldn’t tell the difference.
You are not getting 100% of those talent choices as genuine choices.
The vast majority of those talents are used for things you are supposed to pick anyway, leaving you with only the odd 12 or so talent choices that actually matter. But even those choices are spoiled by the fact that you are given choices on old stuff instead of new and exciting things.
yes, and you are okay with everybody picking the same things, when, supposedly, Blizzard wants this to be all about choices.
But as majority of the trees show, majority of them are picked anyway. In fact, Blizzard expects you to pick them. And then has the audacity to call them choices.
By all means, if they marketed the system as “We only expect you to have genuine choice for 20% or so of the choices in the new talent trees whereas now you have 100%”, then all would be fine. Players would know the truth and Blizzard wouldn’t lie.
Not really. But some things are just facts, and if certain people can’t see it, it’s their issue. You must be the type of person arguing that the earth is flat I suppose.
Of course they expect you to pick something from each row. And its true some of the rowss have obvious, better choices. That is the fault of current talent trees as much as it is the new ones, thats nothing new.
What is new though is that Blizzard locks you out of the first five talent rows and picks them for you, leaving you with 2 actual choices instead of the previous 7.
When i switch a branch, i switch like 5+ talents/abilities/passives easily.
I can switch multiple branches.
I can go half-way, i can go all the way, i can go full on a branch and then get a bit of the other 2.
I can go 2 full branches.
I have two working eyes. As I have said, the pictures you have shown start off the exact same and indeed follow the same paths all the way to the bottom- After which you actually make some different choices.
You spend more than half of the points getting the same abilities. Anti magic shell, AMZ, DS, Chains, etc.
Then don’t make them.
Blizzard said they put in guardrails, those are the “standard” abilities that they want players to have, put in the beginning of the tree.
Oh look, another one: https://mythictrap.com/dragonflights-talents?c254=nltoud_r7ob4h_85c0h&c250=nnzx3s_rtdnr4_28
It doesn’t have as many defensives, so you better get them old raids done fast, pew pew!
Mythic+ is not the playerbase, just so you know that.
And it’s not a surprise at all that M+ players are metaslaves.
‘people like me’ ?
Do explain please.
Well, let’s then agree to disagree.
Alright, my analogy was bad. But it was based on your bad analogy in the first place.
So let’s try this: Your basic build is the car. Borrowed power is the nitro boosed you opted to put into it. And the fuzzy dice and paint job are the cosmetics. Better analogy?
My point still stands. Without the nitro, you still have a perfectly fine car.
That’s just sales talk. Everyone knows not to buy too much into that.
I disagree. The system is new. Even if it exclusively adds old stuff (which it doesn’t, btw).
You are giving your opinion without being asked as well. Silly.
I’m one of those people and I’ve NEVER said 100%.
So… False.
But it does. For me anyway.
You might feel differently because your playstyle might ‘force’ you to take certain things by default. Not my problem. It’s yours. It’s a self inflicted problem.
No such thing. Don’t be silly.
You are objectively a bad human being if you feel that way.
Are you seriously this daft? I just told you it’s speculation BECAUSE WE CAN’T ACTUALLY PLAY WITH THIS SYSTEM YET. How the hell would I prove that? Oh, wait… GO CHECK IF THE ALPHA IS UP. NO? Proven.
And you have nothing but salt. That’s all.
Ah yes the eternal reply of ‘how many more development cycles do you need to accept thats not how it works’.
To answer your question: Beta. If it’s not altered in beta, it’s very likely going to go live ‘as is’.
I simply don’t agree with you (about having to ‘rip this thing up root and stem’. I agree that they won’t do that).
And as far as I’ve seen that’s true. There’s combinations of powers that we’ve never had access to before that are now possible.
Yes you are.
Did I say that?
Don’t claim I said things which I clearly didn’t.
This is the forums. Not in game.
We’ll see. I’ll let you know how I feel once I can do it.
Of course they did, because otherwise they’d have to actually make good talents and make actual class changes. By calling them “Guardrails”, they ensure that not only can they scam people about the talent trees having freedom to choose what you want, but they save themselves some extra work.
You’d find the same result if you looked at PVP or raiding.
Just own up and admit you’re wrong and in the minority.
People that supposedly don’t care about performance or are at the least vocal about it. But, then most likely use the best option anyway because it’s the best.
My analogy was correct, as you even omit yourself.
Name them whatever you like. But if I had those nitro boosts or whatever that actually made my car somehow better, and you took them away from me, and then years later gave them back, I need not nor should be thankful for that. They should be there still.
I majored in marketing and I absolutely despise false advertising and marketing. And I am well entitled to call them out for lies.
Equally, I could ask you: Why are you okay with accepting a half-baked product?
I am aware there are a total of, what, four? Five, new nodes? And they are not even new abilities. Just passives.
And again, Blizzard knows that the one thing that gets people excited most about their classes is new abilities. And yet, we have received no info on them: Guess why? Because they have none to offer.
Or at least, nothing interesting they could hype the expansion with.
It’s not an objective thing. Number 7 is bigger than 3.
It is not a self inflicted problem at all. It is a factual statement that this system objectively offers less choice. And that’s that.
Well then if they are so silly, you have no trouble telling me why these choices are in fact not false choices? Because you haven’t been able to refute the argument, at all.
Well, you seem so certain of it, so I ask again: prove it.
I have all of the past 8 years to back me up on my argument. What do you have?
I have facts and the truth.
Okay so you think changes are made in alpha to a great degree! Great, show me how many changes they made in either Legion or BFA alpha. Or for that matter SL ones. Show me, and compare them to the amount of fixes and changes they did over the course of those expansions.
Yeah, good luck.
Ok so then we’re agreed, they won’t fix the system and in fact it is pointless to expect them to change their minds- And so, like the past 8 years, they will bang their heads into the wall and then admit their wrong one expansion later and change the system. Just as they have done the past 8 years. Great!
Yeah, but also your class design hasn’t changed at all. You are not able to alter your spec’s gameplay one bit. You can have an odd ability here and there, a passive there, but in the end, you will play the same spec as everybody else, with the same talents as everybody else.
Moreso than even now, for the reasons stated above. Which is quite ironic, since this system was built to allow more changes- When, the examples have proven the complete opposite is happening.
Pot calling the kettle black.
Well you did refer to it and state that this is why it was implemented, and I point out how pointless and useless it is. So, what gives?
Rules apply here too, so I guess I instead am posting within those rules!
You can let me know whatever you want but I literally know what this is gonna be like. I don’t need to even have a crystal ball to tell what will 100% happen. Because unlike you, I know Blizzard’s past.
Being in a minority does not make one wrong.
And saying so really is telling of what kind of person you really are.
By the way; I’m not wrong.
Of course I care somewhat about how my character performs to a degree. I just don’t let it be the be-all-end-all of everything. It isn’t even the first thing I take into consideration. No. It’s: Do I think this is the most fun to play?
If the answer is yes and it’s not the best, it’s the right answer for me.
Nice twisting of words. I think you’ll find I said ‘bad analogy’, not ‘correct’. Don’t claim I said things that I didn’t say. I told you that in my previous reply.
Well that’s where your analogy faulters. Because we’re talking about borrowed power here and that’s an actual game thing. You are completely allowed to not like borrowed power, but that makes it nothing more than ‘just your opinion’. Oh and what did you tell me about my opinion? …Right… “don’t care + didn’t ask”
Which it’s not. It’s also not advertising. It was interviews with devs.
Things are itterated on all the time. Sometimes they even say the wrong thing. It happens. Human beings and all… I’m not making excuses for them, but to take them on their literal word in an interview with some streamer is just a bit silly - but to make it clear: They’ve not lied. The system IS new. Whether it’s exciting is subjective.
Because it’s early days. I would think that’s crystal clear.
It’s the reason why I’m letting my sub lapse in 17 days. I’m not going to pay them to wait around for nearly a year. I’ll be back when they have some content I’ll enjoy.
It is subjective. Because for ME it’s not 3. At all. Because I’m not letting myself be handcuffed by letting others dictate which things I HAVE TO pick. Freedom. Yay.
And if you look at it that way, you don’t REALLY have 7 choices now either. You have zero. Because MUST pick ‘the right ones’.
Again; this is a ‘you’ problem.
As shown by my previous answer; you’re wrong. It IS ‘your’ problem.
See my above statement.
No, no you don’t. You have ‘what you say’. That is not proof.
Because your word means nothing to me. Sorry.
Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear.
Really can’t be bothered with that. I don’t feel the need to prove anything to you.
You can do your own research. You won’t. Because you’re so sure of yourself.
And that’s fine.
And to be clear: I’m not saying they’re going to make huge sweeping changes to this system. What I’m saying is that I’m sure that some skills will be replaced by other things, maybe brand new things, maybe old returning things. Placings within the tree will probably be changed. ‘branches’ might get some changes. Etc.
Those are the kind of changes that could make an entire tree feel quite different.
I didn’t say that. Really, you need to stop implying I said things I never did. It’s bordering libel.
See my previous comment in this post for what I AM saying.
What gives is that I don’t like it when people claim I said things that I did not.
And you did it twice again in your previous reply. Stop it.
