Yes, i certainly remember people lamenting how their favorite azerite powers were taken from them. Azerite powers were such a revolutionary + liked system, after all!
(Not).
What I do remember however is people asked them to bring back baseline abilities like kill shot for 3 expansions and now that we finally have it it is 100% going in as a talent that you have as much of a choice picking as you have a permanent ghoul on unholy. You don’t.
Again, 20 vs 30 or 100 choices do not matter at all if you can only pick 3 of them when you previously had 7.
3 blood dk choice nodes in DF vs 7 talent choice nodes in SL talents.
I just explained to you why it’s better to have the new trees versus having them baseline.
You can pick what your baseline is… it’s that simple.
Who cares about azerite? You see an azerite power in the trees? Don’t bloody take it if you don’t like it? YOU HAVE THAT CHOICE.
Need a remind you that some azerite powers were made into talents last expact?
The ret Sanctified Wrath being one of them, it’s in the final row on the left and it’s the best choice to have in this patch.
You can take 11 talents there in total, versus 7 max on live.
YOU GAIN 4 BLOODY TALENTS OVER LIVE IF YOU WANT AND YOU’RE COMPLAINING??
just to make it clear, im against the talent trees in every way.
5 levels to get 5% increase to something is silly. and even if its not, its the same as what we have now, with different look. meaning, 90%+ of the player base will copy the guides. and out of those 10%, at least half of them will change to the guide every once in a while.
there is no change or fix to the dragonflight trees that i would say is an improvement because what we have now (introduced in MOP) is the best version of talent trees.
if a player want a old-school talent tree, there is always wow classic.
saying that,
a player who never tested the game or has even seen how it plays out, cannot give a proper feedback.
the best you can do, without player alpha or beta or ptr, is to watch someone else play, but putting it on mute so your opinions wont be affected by the player.
*there is no shame of admitting your opinion or way of speech is affected by the people you watch, its extremely easy to influence or mind control humans, of any age.
And i explained you why it is just a delusion of choice. If that is better for you then great. You also sad it is possible to wreck your spec. For every player doing a little bit of endgame it is useless to do that. But i am happy for you you got the option to do that. For others; delusion of choice.
Boy I sure am excited to make wrong choices the next expansion. I will feel extremely empowered + good that I can choose to wilfully gimp myself in order to have the stuff that I like.
be honest,
are you really going to pick and use for the entirety of the expansion a weak low-tier talent path that would make your performance last OR will you choose what the guides say and perform well ?
*the performance also affect solo world pve and pvp.
are you having fun dying all the time in the open world or not be able to kill a mob you are supposed to kill easily ?
How is it delusion of choice, when you have that choice to make???
You want a bloody interrupt? GET IT.
You don’t want it? DON’T GET IT.
Is that not a choice?
You want a defensive ability? Get it…
You don’t want a defensive ability? You want a CC? WELL GET THAT THEN.
How are you not seeing that you have a lot more choices with DF talent trees than you have on live?
I’m going to pick what i think is best, as always.
Dude… i could solo 500k hp Hroth or whatever he’s called in Arden in the first expac.
I’m not dying in open world to bloody normal mobs unless i pull like 10+1-3 elites without any cd’s, just for the thrill.
I got a healer PoV, and i basically can not create a tree without picking my dispell. How is that choice? How can i NOT pick it? How can i NOT spend my precious points on it? Where is my choice?
Don’t you see the tree is there to let us spend points on our basic abilities? You don’t get choices. You get limitations and you have to spend a lot of points on the basics. That leaves a very small amount of points left for whatever you really want to choose.
But again; when i get around the same, i am not complaining. Then imo the talent trees are a waste of development time and i as a player am just whatevering about the change.
Yes we have a choice to pick and choose passives nobody (0/0) asked to be presented with in the first place.
Players asked for a new talent row after 10 years.
Players asked for deadweight talents to be either changed or removed.
Players asked for ways to change up their gameplay drastically with their choices (see: SP getting rid of voidform, gladiator stance, unholy without festering wounds mechhanic etc).
This is what we got. Things nobody asked for. Yeah, it is a choice. A false choice.
Unfortunately yes because they can’t actually design anything new.
Yes, i get to pick and choose from 11 dull passives split into 1-3 tanks and active abilities where previously i had actual good + solid talents to choose from.
My excitement is through the roof with all this choice i am given.
I said you have MORE choice versus live.
You can chose not to get Remove Corruption,. but you also chose to forgo what’s past it.
Choices have consequences.
If you want as a healer, to not take Remove Corruption, then you won’t be able to take 6% increased healing done and received, Wild Growth and Improved Rejuvenation.
BUT AS A CHOICE, you can then get other stuff in the tree.
Get it? Other bloody stuff that is useful.
You can go get Heart of the Wild and Renewal along the way, you can get Maim and Skull Bash as bloody resto.
You have that choice.
It’s a false choice between picking Maim and Skull Bask as a resto druid versus having Remove Corruption and Wild Growth?
You realize you’re just spouting lies at this point no? You have plenty of active abilities to chose from.
You also didn’t make the list i asked you to make so far, the one that would presumable prove me wrong.
Where is your talent tree that you made?
Where is it?? Where is your current talent selection from live to compare?
Oh yeah, you’re not doing that out of FEAR of being proven wrong.
A delusion of choice for everyone who takes part in the endgame a tiny bit. Great you can wreck your spec… What an awesome addition to the game.
It doesn’t matter. I am just going to press all the normal baseline thingies that are needed and am going to have fun. But not because of the talent trees.
It’s a delusion of choice when picking Skull Bash as a resto druid? You think there won’t be specs that go for it? You think there won’t be resto druids abusing the tank goodies for pvp? lmao
Then get those “normal baseline” thingies and shut up?
You’re not losing much if anything versus your live options if you do.
I am not ruining anything by giving my oppinion. You are 100% allowed to have yours.
But i leave you on your rampage here. I am out. I have given my oppinion and every word i say is getting taken out of context and cherrypicked in quotes. You can have you topic back. I am out.
i have the ability to choose to get the serenity build or storm, earth and fire build.
i like (and able to play) the serenity build.
each build is made with very specific talents.
so yes, you can choose your build, but you cant choose your talents because each build requires certain talents.
this is going to be the same in dragonflight, you will be able to choose a build, but you cant choose the talents. (that is if you want the build to work) if you go random, its not a build, its just a mess.
the only choice you get is the build. and you decide it by what build you can master or if you want to focus on solo or group content. pve or pvp. leveling or end-game.
but one thing is always constant throughout the history of wow- you cannot choose talents randomly. ,
Some people seem to think the current talent system is good. Kek i say!
Im looking forward to the change. It cant possibly be any worse than the current Diablo copy.
I’m waiting for that list of what you’re losing versus what you’re gaining.
Did you even make a spec with the new calculator? Or are you just saying stuff?
Ofc you’re out, you can’t stand your ground and show how the new trees are bad.
I already proved to you that you can make different choices, there is no illusion of choice at play here.
Yes i have a ww alt.
If you think you’re bound to only 1 path, then take it and leave the rest of us to stray from it.
You can do that now, you can do that in DF.
The rest of us have more stuff to pick from.
You are so damn agressive you need to make another agressive response. And you didnt read anything of my posts and cherry picked. Good luck. This is really my last post. But you understand i am now flagging for harrasment.
I nowhere sad you lose or gain a lot or that it is good or bad. I literally sad multiple times “~the same”.
What an awesome addition to the game.