If you write with a Nightborne you’re always right if you speak about Nightborne. Now someone should post as Nightborne something about the Horde.
I already did on my Priest, Leia and the OP has been trying to do that as well.
I am certainly not a bunch of pixels. This clearly means different things to both of us.
Hah, taking pointers on night elves from a blood elf, that’s rich, not to mention hilarious.
Quick for a human, not for an elf hun, so humanised you thalassian elves, i guess your kind wanted the pink skin and blond hair more than you desired your true elven roots. But don’t worry, will win you back over to the purple side.
Do you even know what that means. I hear the nightborne chicks flirting over Tyrande all the time.
As I said, just stick to blood elves, don’t embarass yourself anymore. The Shal’dorei will always be night elf first, allying with the sin’dorei or anyone we choose to won’t change our identity, we are not confused about who we are.
You seem confused, and your memory short - did the devolution to pink skin wittle your brain that much? - did you not recall I said we were always supportive of our kin - did I specify alliance night elves? You just jumped to that conclusion yourself in your bias and misundertanding of everything… but I guess this is why we are still here, to teach you how to process information intelligently like an elf, rather than a human. Don’t blame me if you’re confused about what i say or don’t give it due process. Pay attention better.
The shal’dorei are not in darkshore, they are not butchers and murderers of innocents. The half-orc Rexxar - (not an orc if I recall) doesn’t seem the most loyal supporter of the horde, perhaps you sin’dorei should reconsider your allegiance, if you think all nightborne will silently fall in line and follow these barbarians on every butchering, silly venture they embark on, you have another surprise coming. There is only so far the very new friendship of the sin’dorei will take us. Do not forget we have far more incommon with the alliance elves who hold all our night elf kin, including the highborne, also hold high elves and void elves.
Never forget that.
Bootlicking and sucking up for magical secrets so you can lean on power to fill your insecurities - i mean if you lot don’t reform fast, you are a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. I just hope Lady Liadrin’s work will get to enough of you before your power grabbing consumes you.
Not associated with the lore.
He’s called “Champion of the Horde.”
Headcanon yet again.
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I see, you keep calling everything headcanon, and yet when you are given sources and instances - your response is “not associated with the lore” - you’re too funny.
You simply don’t know night elves like you think you do. But keep trying, one day you will catch up. Typical sin’dorei, think they know everything and thus showing they know nothing.
Yeah, goes to show how consistent the horde is. Rofl.
Don’t like being called out on it. All I see is sin’dorei sucking up to shal’dorei - it is certainly a 1-way street i can assure you, and one that is certain to make the current kaldorei far more alluring and mysterious and as such appealing to more and more shal’dorei.
I feel like I need to politely state that this isn’t a RP topic, or even the RP forum.
Kelibor, dude, you are throwing around a lot of self beliefs man. Speculation is cool and I’m all for that for sure, but let’s not get too sucked in to what our views are
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Still believes in the Horde’s cause, as does Valtrois.
I don’t care about Night Elves. I only care about the Orcs, Blood Elves and Nightborne.
Because it’s a joke. Nothing that’s serious.
The blood elves joke about cooking the Tauren, but that isn’t canon lore…it’s all a joke, created by Blizzard, not to be taken seriously.
And the Shal’dorei sucked up to the Sin’dorei as well, as per Thalyssra when she greets new players “But the Sin’dorei - the blood elves - showed us respect and understanding. Their kinship…”
Or they completely ignored and cut off all ties to the Nightborne, like they did.
Noted, but I hope you have at least learnt more about the nightborne, sometimes the only way is getting in character, if only a little.
So much said here is opinions and subjective. Based on the actual information we have, there are particular ways a nightborne will see things, and it will not be like blood elves do.
One thing you can trust is that many of our blood elf posters are very good at being blood elves, it’s their favourite race, they get the vibe, the personality, the view, the outlook, becasue they’ve followed the blood elf vein of the thalassian elf so closely, they will reflect pretty much how a blood elf thinks about the shal’dorei or the night elf - and some of their views will be close if not always accurate.
However, don’t for a second think they know about the shal’dorei or the night elf, they haven’t cared enough about the night elf race, only recently being interested because of being shown a fully functional pristine night elf city and civilization in the height of its majesty and splendour undimmed from what it was 10,000 years ago. (and loving it, because that’s the sort of thing they love about fantasy - what most people like which is why night elves with only forests for most of wow have lost a lot of popularity, compared to WC3 and WotA trilogy days when most who followed them were aware of their golden magical era and had hopes of seeing that added to the nature instalment they saw.)
Theses blood elf fans recently come to the table on the night elf side of things, much of the lore is in their head really, interpretations of the lore rather than actual lore and the perspectives are from the blood elf angle, not the night elf one. Some of them don’t even consider nightborne anything to do with night elves, shows you how so out of touch they arew ith night elf lore. They’ve never cared for the arcane wing of the night elves until just now, they aren’t going to get the perspectives of subtleties right, they will misread the cues and texts and when they don’t like something - like the suggestion that most nightborne will or should defect, they will talk it down as never going to happen etc etc, like they know the future.
I mean the lore is written. Unless the nightborne commit some very loyal act to the horde and directly rise up against or are given substantial reason to hate the rest of night elf kind, the only tether to the horde is the sin’dorei, and in time, they will bleed nightborne to the kaldorei and/or neutrality unless blizzard makes sure that doesn’t happen.
THis is just the way the nightborne are set up, they’re too night elven and their ties to the horde too thin. All will know that the alliance having both thalassian elves and kaldorei including the very highborne who are forging new future with the rest of their kin - should make the alliance more appealing to the nightborne.
Furthermore the value system of the nightborne led by Thalyssra as shown in 7.0/1 is very much in line with the Kaldorei, the Farondis and even the high elves - definitely not the mindset of Sylvanas or Saurfang, not the mindset of the forsaken either or the trolls or the orcs, and not the tauren at all. Only some of the sin’dorei have that mindset, it is far more prevalent amongst the kaldorei, high elves and void elves.
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Don’t really see her praising and full of confidence over it. In fact the only thing she has actively said concerning allegiance is how she’s doubting the whole thing.
Honey, nightborne are the night elves on the horde. Night elf is no longer synonymous with alliance kaldorei - so many neutral night elves and now a faction of horde night elves too. Get with the times.
I guess no one takes cues about the personality and character of a race from its sillys and flirts - like none of us realize the blood elf males totally vain from that - because it’s not canon, or that blood elf females are b*tchy - because it’s not canon huh.
If it is in the game, it is canon, never heard that before?
Polite way of saying, they sucked up to us so hard, it was hard to say no.
You are unbelivable.
But in the end, Nightborne are Horde, and it’s a place where they will stay, forever.
And it’s the right place where they should be.
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It’s all your headcanon. What you say doesn’t impact on the game’s already established lore. What you see, how you interpret it…nobody cares, not even blizzard.
So the Blood Elves do want to eat the Tauren then…you are a forum joke, at this point.
Horde Night Elves called the “Nightborne.” I refer to them as the “Nightborne” because that’s what Blizzard tells me. I won’t refer to my NIGHTBORNE Priest as a Horde Night Elf Priest. She’s a Nightborne. Plain and simple.
She still works with the Horde and the war effort in Zuldazar. She still breaks out Ashvane and throws the prison into chaos, with her cocky attitude. In fact, she is the main cause for the prison being thrown into madness in the first place.
Correct.
Better start believing, it’s right there.
Yes, the horde will always have nightborne, but unless something horde affirming happens, the likelihood and best way forward is if most of them leave the horde and return to neutrality or join the kaldorei.
No it isn’t, they are better with the kaldorei all round. Neither the horde nor the blood elves really need them. The horde have the blood elves, therefore the nightborne aren’t necessary. And the nightborne don’t need anything from the blood elves.
however it is the night elves they can learn a lot from, and can contribute a lot too
What established lore? Your opinion and blood elf perspective? Please. Do you need to be taught how to read and basic interpretation?
So you are with people which you doesn’t like but need something from them or people which you like but doesn’t need something from them? Btw. it isn’t even “need” its more something “optional”. Highborne doesn’t like primitive magic afaik.
Which won’t happen. The Horde might oust Sylvanas from Warchief, but the Nightborne won’t leave.
The only way the Nightborne will leave is if Sylvanas and the Horde actively attack Suramar, which they won’t as Suramar has Silvermoon’s firm backing.
the lore that Blizzard has told. That established lore. You are not Blizzard and everything you say is headcanon as nothing backs up what you are saying from blizzard’s story.
Yes it is.
For those players who are bland and boring and only want the Nightborne to have any lore with the night elves. Not with any other race, just night elves. That’s what a simpleton player would want.
We, including Blizzard, sees more “Nightborne potential” in the Horde. That is where they are and that is where they should stay.
No. Night Elves are a different breed of elf entirely now, from the Nightborne.
The Nightborne and Blood Elves prefer each others’ company. That is how it should be and how it will always be.
You are basically being deeply and unnecessarily unpleasant at this point, and seem to have a hard time differentiating between people and their avatars. You could probably benefit from reading up on some lore, I don’t think you know your favourite race as well as you claim to.
Now before you say anything that gets you reported, have a cup of tea, a little bit of calm time, and ask yourself “What am I contributing to a conversation about Nightborne” before you next post perhaps?
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Brigante - its the internet, sometimes typing cannot convey meaning and intent like body language, tone, visuals and facial expressions do. Try and imagine me with a mischevious smile and light hearted countenance saying this. Rather than an angry person getting all worked up. I use lots of words to try and create the atmosphere, but when in character sometimes it can be interpreted as being totally serious. It is not.
This is nothing against the individual behind the character, and I hope they don’t take it personally, this is all in character, and it is a stand point from a nightborne character with the particular disposition he has.
I interpreted her rude comments to me as an in-character jibe and returned in kind (in-character) I didn’t take it as peronsal, i am assuming she wasn’t being personal (pls correct me if I’m wrong Janearis/Leia). I didn’t see her once complain that she felt insulted or threatened, cos he knows it’s not targeted at him but at his female blood elf toon.
I don’t think any elf likes primitive magic. Elves don’t do primitive magic, otherwise they’d be shaman. Every magic they delve in, arcane, nature, fel, divine it is to insane levels, especially the night elves - they do everything to extreme, arcane, nature, divine, fel - just look at the kaldorei empire arcane achievements, the long vigil nature achievements, the order of Elune achievements, the demon hunters achievements with fel.
Elves developed magic, magic trolls were playing with at a basic level, the elves took way way further. And even after the night elves were broken by the legion, look at what happened to the individual communities:
The long vigil community took nature to a super advanced stage.
The Eldre’thalas and Suramar communities continued in their arcane tradition building on their knowledge even if at a much slower rate.
The Illidari Illidan started before /during his imprisonment (don’t ask me how, just that their are night elf demon hunters that have been so for thousands of years, and have had demons to hunt anyway) took fel to extrordinary levels they were obliterating demons left right and centre and were the key to stopping the legion.
Even the long vigil highborne group, the ones that became high elves, after 3 k year break from magic, starting from literally nothing seeing (eldre’thalas and suramar were beyond their reach) they forged ahead building a new elven day city this time and a new high culture of their own - again reaching some great heights even though they never managed to reach the level of their kin before the sundering.
The nightborne aren’t wtih the sin’dorei because they need anything from them, they were invited and preferred the way they were been treated by blood elves and accepted their invitation. Even i can tell you it was premature move and a blunder Thalyssra might come to regret. The blood elves are crafty they knew how to appeal to the vanities of the night elf high society the nightborne still follow culturally, the blood elves being highborne descendants themselves and understanding how royalty and nobility work in such societies, Tyrande on the other hand would not waste time with such deferrence and delicately handling egos - she’s nearly lost her husband, her arch enemeis the legion she spent 10k years in vigil to stop are returned, and as high preistess, she is far more scrutinising of people she knows quite well.
From an in-game perspective, if the shen’dralar or the high elves had done the approaching, things should have gone differently as they would have done things in the proper protocol and manner the high priestess would not have cared for. But that didn’t happen, instead the nightborne got into something (the horde) I feel they didn’t fully understand, and as the heat gets ramped up, i wonder how solid their resolve will be to stick wholly with the horde who’s motives and ideals are so very different from the one Thalyssra was eschweing.
My prediction is that a large chunk of them, especially the Thalyssra minded rebels will break away. The 7.0 city nightborne showed us there are nightborne who would fit the horde mindset perfectly, the ones who attacked Moonguard stronghold and were talking about reclaiming the world once more, and their time had come, all conquest and domination - that mindset is very different from Thalyssra and the nightfallen rebels and it fits the horde much better as we can clearly see, and after the victory in Suramar, that mindset would also be the minority, but it will still be there.
My guess is that most of the original rebels and those who remembered their noble kaldorei heritage will abandon the horde and become neutral or join the kaldorei - if they were to have a playable part I predict blizzard would turn them into kaldorei because they can, leaving those who remain in nightborne form either on the horde or neutral so there is no model conflict.
This is how I think it should go because this is better, it fits better and is more in line with everything they showed us in 7.0/1 of Thalyssra, the nightborne and the rebellion. It will also give the alliance an active portion of the people their night elven armies helped save and it would make sense in the light of the deep friendships and working together we saw of the rebels and the native kaldorei of the island in shal’aran, reunited again for the first time in 10k years.
There is an entire night elf wing of the story left untold, that deserves some form of relationship and co-existing and not just thrown under some fast random out of nowhere lore.
We can all understand why the nightborne would ally with the blood elves (not the horde, the blood elves), what we don’t understand is why some if not most or many aren’t firmly with the kaldorei.
Which begs the question “why not?”. Why not have some of them joining the kaldorei or most of htem even? There certainly lots of reason for it, from the way the horde dealt with innocent night elves to all the history the two groups share, including both having a home city in Suramar and once been one people, to the working together that occured. Why not? Because blood elf fans want them all to themselves? Because they are already on the horde? That’s simple, turn the ones that go to the alliance into kaldorei and the ones in the horde stay nightborne. And the blood elf fans still get to keep nightborne, they should be happy to lose the ones who weren’t committed to them to becoming kaldorei again…if they don’t like it then tough, I can’t think of anything but jealousy and selfishness wanting all the night elf arcane pre-sundering group to themselves because they’re powerful and magical - it’s so biased it’s ridiculous even when the vibe, story and disposition screams kaldorei and alliance. Even when they full well know the blood elves have little need for anything from the nightborne, i mean they are only a little behind them arcane wise, but have the same intelligence, tenacity and drive, they’d get there. It’s also clear the horde don’t need the nightborne, they got the blood elves providing all the magical supoprt htey need, it’s the night elves that the shal’dorei can learn great new things in things that actually interest them, like nature - the shal’dorei like nature judging from their gardens and the nighthold botanist encounter, and they certainly like elune, judging from comments made about the prayers that went up to Eluen, the female nightborne flirts and the Elune shrines all over lower west side Suramar that have tributes to them.
It’s ignoring a lot of character, lore, facts about the nightborne and their night elf links to think that there would be no nightborne willing or wanting to connect with thier kaldorei kin, especially after telling you how amazing they were for defending the city with their lives - and elevating them to near god-status as great heroes who died so Suramar would survive. This sishow they view the night elves who defended the city and marched out to destroy the demons, it brought them time to shield and seal their city. For 10,000 years they though themselves the only survivors of the 1st invasion and that many of the night elves who fought to press the attack onwards to zin’azshari had died in defence of thier city.
I mean we know the entire kaldorei army that marche d from Suramar did so to save the rest of their people and what remained before the demons destroyed the whole planet.
The fans touting all that garbage about the nightborne trying to turn them into sin’dorei that hate kaldorei just like the blood elves do are simply ignoring so much of the subtleties and finer details the story and lore and in game is littered with.
I don’t think you understood the part you quoted. REad again.
You are going to have to do better than that and point out the parts in the lore you claim is established here.
No it isn’t
Quite the contrary, how is it bland and boring? There will always be nightborne with the blood elves, isn’t that boring seeing nothing new is added? Whereas with the night elves, you get a mix of nature and arcane and night star/moon religion - you get nightborne expanding and night elves expanding too, both complimenting and enhancing each other - i mean the night elves already have a lot of knoweldge coming from the shen’dralar on the arcane stuff they lost, but with many nightborne defecting, they get a lot more bodies and a wider pool of expertise, they get chronomancy and they get to call their original home, home again, gaining a city. The nightborne get to learn 10,000 years worth of nature magic and mystery the druids unraveled from a wild god and the emerald dream. They get 10,000 years wroth development on Elune devotion and a whole lot of catching up on stuff they may have in the long parts of their memory. Together they get to pool nature, arcane and the divine together, it was these 3 elements that elevated the night elves to such great heights, and now there will be no fall because of arrogance seeing they’ve learnt their lessons… How is this boring? Do you not know it was the arcane magic of the night elves and the druidic nature magic of ancient trees (as night elf druidsm wasn’t developed enough) that built the great cities, and do you not know it is the order of Elune that was the glue that held them together, focused and righteous before they got all arrogant?
Furthermore, it is the kaldorei that created and mastered the demon hunter class, while you do have blood elf illidari, the proper experts and the main stars of this show are mostly kaldorei, the nightborne will know they can learn much from that.
Last I checked, they were still purple skinned, still made from the arcane, still glowing the power of the Well, still noble and determined, still greatly talented at magic - look at how fast the new darnassian kaldorei took to the arcane the rejoined highborne were instructed, look how many students were gathered around Amberwind (herself a recently promoted lorewalker) or Estulan, one of the actual shen’dralar.
No hun, it’s not the night elf that changed, in fact they have remained the original pure breed, it is the blood elf that is changed, and the nightborne to a lesser extent but both in opposite directions, the high elves became less night elven, but the nightborne even moreso.
Opinion, and subjective. You can think so, but from where i’m sitting, it is certainly not so. It is the blood elves (especially the blood elf fans and their nightborne alts) that much prefer the nightborne company, not the other way round.
Whats about druids? It is primitive magic. What else should it be? The Nightbornes have nothing to do with Elune anymore. Their connection was broken for at least 10.000 years. They don’t need Elune.
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Shandyra… stop reading the first 2 lines then responding. Read the rest first, then respond, you will find suitable explanations.
Druidsm is not primitive magic - why you would think it is primitive because it is nature? The night elves took that nature magic primitively practiced by others, to whole new level, just like they did with the arcane. Growing world trees, bringing forests to life, turning into animals, guiding the evolution of the world, shrouding an entire continent in mists, harnessing the arcane power of the stars and moon, suppressing the use of arcane magic on a continental scale - that is NOT primitive magic, that is highly advanced magic. Ever moulded an entire forest into the exact reflection of an ephemeral realm?
These guys can regrow an entire forest, just like that. The acorn of seed of an ancient holds all its memory of all its past lives and all its knowledge - and its those very ancients that built cities like Suramar and Zin’Azshari, eldre’thalas and Vashj’ir alongside night elven mages - that nature magic night elves came to master as druids and go further with - this is not primitive stuff.
It’s bland and boring.
There’s nothing new here on Alliance side and the story would suffer from it. The race, the Shal’dorei will suffer from it.
and the ones who, in the lore, bested the kaldorei was a sin’dorei demon hunter.
" Thalyssra also felt that the [Alliance] as an organization was too walled off and too cloistered, an undesirable trait after having been literally walled off for 10,000 years."
“The Horde embodies strength, determination, individuality. Traits we Shal’dorei value as well.”
These are her words. This is established lore on how the Nightborne view their allies and what they seek in new allies.
“The Alliance feels too walled off, too cloistered. My people will never endure such stagnation again.”
These are her words. No manipulation or sucking up to anyone. This is the lore from Blizzard. You can’t say that this isn’t canon, because it doesn’t fit your headcanon
Yes it is.
Because all it is, is a slight night elf alteration. Same faction, nothing new. Bland, boring and something for simpleton players. Void Elves gives the Alliance a new arc. Nightborne would not. The Horde is where the Nightborne belong and thankfully, Blizzard will never listen to you and they will remain on the Horde.
No. Where the true potential lies is on the Horde, with the Blood Elves. Here, we can see Elves of the Highborne and the ancient Trolls working side by side, not losing who they are, but working together as the alliance-shunned race that they have been.
They don’t need a faith that blinds them. They are their own people with their own mindsest, but Kelibor thinks they should be brainless followers to night elves and bend down to tyrande. Turn the Nightborne into a race that they shouldn’t be.
Oh really? We see Nightborne joining the Reliquary. We see Nightborne dotted all over Silvermoon and Orgrimmar. We see Nightborne in the Horde campaign and in the Horde camps in the Kul’tiras zones. We see Nightborne maintaining portals to the Horde capitals and Nightborne fighting alongside the other Horde races on Zuldazar.
Nightborne are in the Horde now and they are becoming fully fledged members. They are most certainly not going back.
You carry on insulting me and trying to bully me into believing your headcanon, I will not hesitate to report you.
What rude comments? Or is this a general case of “she disagrees with me, I’m offended.” In that case, I’d stay off the internet then.
Your still targeting me with obscure insults. You continue to do so, will result in being reported. I’ve ignored them at the moment, but I will take action if it continues.