No new delves in 11.2

[Stormblaze-genjuros]

Uda i still remember how much you write about Delves and so on …and they get heroic quality item 1 per week .

Since you said that people have it easy with getting Heroic gear (1 per week ) from the Delves you already know

Champion Gear=Heroic gear in Delves. 619 ilvl vs 619 ilvl .
I have completed 100 runs in Delves and still haven’t obtain 15 gilded crest in total to upgrade a single piece of 619 ilvl hc quality.

My Dk hit 618 ilvl with majority of items being champion gear upgraded to 619 ilvl .
I don’t need that heroic gear since i can already upgrade the easier to obtain champion gear that you can easily upgrade to 619 ilvl . and way better since the quantity of obtained items that gives as well a higher percentage with the desire stat (Don’t forget delves gear=versatily )

It’s even better to upgrade champion gear to max 619 ilvl other than spend 90 runed crests to create …a 619 ilvl piece of gear … At the end you waste 30 crests .

Let’s not talk about the farm on crests , farming crests in m+ is 2x +++ more effective than the delves that you get 2 crest for every 10-15 min … You need 8x 8 delves for 16(15 ) crests . Not talking that depending on class-specc you need sometimes to wait for cds just to pass some elites *

[Croil-kilrogg]

New delves are coming in the main content patch with the new raid…

[Uda-uldum]

@Tah-earthen-ring

Well, I simply don’t agree that someone who does high M+ keys or high end raiding is a casual. Even if they don’t put in a large amount of hours. They’re putting in dedication and effort; which requires more than a casual is willing to put into a game.

Sure you can play high end M+ casually.

But it will have negative consequences to playing the game-mode in a way its not designed for. So technically you can be an M+ casual, but you cannot expect to achieve the same results as someone that plays it hard-core.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Stormblaze-genjuros

I have completed 100 runs in Delves and still haven’t obtain 15 gilded crest in total to upgrade a single piece of 619 ilvl hc quality.

That’s bad luck. I’ve had 1 upgrade. Yay me.

[Stormblaze-genjuros]

@Tah-earthen-ring

That’s bad luck. I’ve had 1 upgrade. Yay me.

2 many upgrades ( i smell some nerf for the crests )

[Warlóór-steamwheedle-cartel]

@Tah-earthen-ring

They are using vague wording on purpose for stuff that’s further down the timeline.
That way they can’t be accused of not keeping their promises.

Because they know the forums will lose their absolute if they have to cut something minor.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Stormblaze-genjuros

2 many upgrades ( i smell some nerf for the crests )

@Warlóór-steamwheedle-cartel

Because they know the forums will lose their absolute if they have to cut something minor.

[Sylvare-argent-dawn (Sylvare)]

@Tah-earthen-ring

I myself don’t have a whole lot to do at the moment in WoW. Basically I just need to fill 3 vault slots so I can get some more coins. Pretty boring, but it is what it is.

I’m at that point too yeah, came to the conclusion that I’d rather have coins for runed crests cause most non tier items I have, have good stats for me anyways so upgrading those items up to 7/8 champion is often a better choice then choosing a 3/6 heroic track item with worse stats

I wonder if it still gives full coins if I unlocked the slots with purely t1 delves…
something to try out next week I think

[Croil-kilrogg]

As long as you got 3 tabs in the vault you can get the coins… my go to this week is 1 BRD the last bosses, 1 dungeon and the quests for the BRD and PVP weekly

[Sylvare-argent-dawn (Sylvare)]

I’ll try that too and see whats more time efficient good suggestion tho!
t1 delves feel like legacy dungeons tho so I reckon that’ll be the path of the least resistance
bfa raid bosses have more HP then the last bosses of t1 delves solo

[Croil-kilrogg]

“seeing players jumping into Delves and really discovering an all-new play style that didn’t exist just a few months ago, that now is, I think, on its way to being enshrined as a part of the WoW end game and so much more” ion… I think its safe to say they worked lol. He just upset they didn’t get the scaling issues sorted…

[Chrimo-silvermoon]

@Etheras-nordrassil

It is like saying that they gave up on dungeons if they do not add new ones in a content patch

Well it is still a bit strange to not hear anything about it for the next season when they couldn’t stop advertising it before the release.

If they don’t upgrade the gear drops, we will know that it’s a discarded project. But let’s see in the coming weeks.

[Croil-kilrogg]

? There is 2 new delves and more stories for the older ones… What more info do you need… And read my post above Ion seems super happy with them… They aren’t dropping them.

[Totemfar-nekrosh]

@Uda-uldum

WHO CARES. The exact number is irrelevant

YOUR SOURCE DOES… YOU claimed it was defined by YOUR source that says 20 hours… Now you say “Who cares”… Like come on…

@Uda-uldum

DOSENT MATTER

It does according to YOUR source.

@Uda-uldum

Not “A LOT” like you claim.

So “A LOT” can be 20 hours? I would say that is a lot of hours…

@Uda-uldum

50?

I would say playing more than a full time job is “a lot” but apparantly that doesn’t matter?? Mate… please…

@Uda-uldum

And its not THE important thing

I would say when you claim that is the definition it is quiet important.

@Uda-uldum

with “few” hours

Nope… They said its for people that want to PROGRESS WITH LESS TIME COMMITMENT… Now you’re doing it again.

@Uda-uldum

That is LITERALLY what Blizzard said.

Literally is not. Time commitment for progress is NOT the same as Time SPENT PLAYING THE GAME…

@Uda-uldum

What matters is that its NOT exclusively for solo players

No where did anyone say it was.

@Uda-uldum

<20h per week it will change NOTHING.

It will change everything… You can’t claim “A LOT” is too much for a casual player and then go “hours spent is irrelevant…”

@Uda-uldum

If you play a LOT (Hard-Core level)

I thought hours played was irrelvant?

@Uda-uldum

DESIGNED for people with LITTLE hours

Time commitment for progress is NOT the same as “little hours for the game”

@Uda-uldum

In other words. If you are a Hard Core Solo player (or group player), Delves are not the thing for you. If you are a Casual Solo Player (or group player) Delves ARE for you.

Nope. You keep saying “Time committed for progress” means few hours to play…

You keep saying what defines a casual player is “A FEW HOURS” but refuse to acknowledge number of hours as important…

big lol

[Uda-uldum]

Are you OK there buddy ?

@Totemfar-nekrosh

YOUR SOURCE DOES… YOU claimed it was defined by YOUR source that says 20 hours… Now you say “Who cares”… Like come on…

There is a thing called absolute numbers and relative numbers.

You keep quoting specific sentences with out reading what comes after it. And if you dont read it, you clearly don’t understand it.

There really is no consensus about how many hours you need to play to be a “casual” or “hardcore” player. You look up multiple sources and they all give different numbers.

You dont like my source? Find a different one that actually gives you the number of hours you think a “casual player” is defined as. Trust me, you WILL find it.

But in that phrase is the important thing. Whatever hours you say, whatever sources you choose, they all say 1 thing in common: A casual is defined by the hours of gameplay. Exclusively.

So a casual is not defined by WHAT they play. But by how many hours they play.

Its not rocket science…

@Totemfar-nekrosh

It will change everything… You can’t claim “A LOT” is too much for a casual player and then go “hours spent is irrelevant…”

Let me outline how you sound by changing the subject of conversation:

So lets say that instead of talking about Delves we debate about the following question: “does gravity exist yes or no”.

So I say it does. Because some dude dropped a 10kg ball and watched it fall and I link my source. Therefore, gravity exists.

However. You keep arguing about the weight of the ball. And how 10kg is too much or too little. And I keep repeating that the weight of the ball is irrelevant in the discussion. All that matters to answer the question is that “the ball fell”.

See why your replies about the specific value of hours that define a “casual” makes no sense at all ? What matters is that its defined as [ X ] amount of hours played. NOT by [ Y ] content you play.

[Croil-kilrogg]

@Uda-uldum

So lets say that instead of talking about Delves we debate about the following question: “does gravity exist yes or no”.

So I say it does. Because some dude dropped a 10kg ball and watched it fall and I link my source. Therefore, gravity exists.

Facts vs guesses when it comes to WoW and player counts lol… Not sure what your point is here.

[Totemfar-nekrosh]

@Uda-uldum

There really is no consensus about how many hours you need to play to be a “casual” or “hardcore” player. You look up multiple sources and they all give different numbers.

That’s why I asked YOU… But you kept saying “It doesn’t matter” and of course it does… For you to claim HOURS PLAYED is what defines who is casual and who is hardcore, we need to establish what that number is… Otherwise you claiming I am wrong by saying “A lot” is hypocritical…

@Uda-uldum

You dont like my source? Find a different one that actually gives you the number of hours you think a “casual player” is defined as. Trust me, you WILL find it

I have nothing against your source… But for some reason you won’t accept the definition YOU brought forward.

@Uda-uldum

So a casual is not defined by WHAT they play. But by how many hours they play.

Its not rocket science…

Apparantly it is… Because you say it doesn’t matter if its 10, 20 or 50… Then we have a super loose definition but god forbid!!! that I say “a lot” because nono! it is fewer! But it doesn’t matter how many hours that is!

You see the flaw? Then I can claim I am a casual player and play 50 hours. You will call me hardcore and show me a definition that is apparantly vague and up for personal interpretation… But! Apparantly Blizzard is “literally” saying “casual gamers”

@Uda-uldum

Let me outline how you sound by changing the subject of conversation:

So lets say that instead of talking about Delves we debate about the following question: “does gravity exist yes or no”.

So I say it does. Because some dude dropped a 10kg ball and watched it fall and I link my source. Therefore, gravity exists.

However. You keep arguing about the weight of the ball. And how 10kg is too much or too little. And I keep repeating that the weight of the ball is irrelevant in the discussion. All that matters to answer the question is that “the ball fell”.

See why your replies about the specific value of hours that define a “casual” makes no sense at all ? What matters is that its defined as [ X ] amount of hours played. NOT by [ Y ] content you play.

Nope. I keep going back to you claiming that Blizzard “literally” says Delves were made for casuals… When what they actually write is “Progress with little time COMMITMENT”… You see the problem here?

And then you say “Oh a casual gamer is defined by hours played… But the actual hours is not important”

Thats contradictory. Because then you can’t claim Delves were made for casual players… YOU can’t decide that the hours I play is “hardcore” when you also claim hours played is not the important part.

Again… And I will repeat… And no matter how many times you say “literally”

When Blizzard says “they’re ideal for players who want to experience a meaningful game progression without significant time commitments.”

That is not the same as “it is made for casual players”… The key words in that quote is “progression” and “time commitment”…

So I can walk around Stormwind 24/7 and by your definition I would be a hardcore player because of HOURS SPENT, but that does NOT give me progression.

So please… Instead of saying “literally” and then miswriting what is actually written, read the full sentence…

@Uda-uldum

You keep quoting specific sentences with out reading what comes after it.

This came out to be super ironic here.

[Uda-uldum]

@Totemfar-nekrosh

Then I can claim I am a casual player and play 50 hours.

My whole argument boils down to this:

You claim to be a casual player because you play 50 hours ? SURE. Other people will claim that 20 hours defines them as casual players. Or 10. Dont care.

However. What you cannot claim to say is the following: “I am a casual player BECAUSE I play Delves”. That you cannot say according to the established definition of Casual.

@Totemfar-nekrosh

Apparantly it is… Because you say it doesn’t matter if its 10, 20 or 50… Then we have a super loose definition but god forbid!!! that I say “a lot” because nono! it is fewer! But it doesn’t matter how many hours that is!

Once the above is established, lets tie it in with what blizzard has said about Delves.

So. Why does the relative number of hours matter in the defenition of casual ?

Lets say you claim to be a casual by playing 50 hours a week. SURE. How much would a Hard Core player play then ? 200 hours ? 250 hours ?

OK… OK… lets say a different number now…

Lets say you claim to be a casual player playing 5 hours a week. SURE. How much would a Hard Core player play then ? 20 hours, 200 hours, 50 hours ?

So which one is it ? 50 hours, or 5 hours ? Well… here is the catch…

RELATIVE to a hard core player, whichever value you choose to define a “casual” it will ALWAYS be smaller.

So what does this mean ? Its means that a whatever number you choose, a “casual” will sit in the lower end of a spectrum of hours. In other words, the people that play “a little”, compared to those that play “a lot” (aka. Hard-Core players).

And that is what blizzard said. They said that Delves are for the individuals that play “a little”, or, the individuals in the lower end of the “game-time hours” spectrum. OR:

@Totemfar-nekrosh

without significant time commitments [aka: how much time you are willing to invest playing the game]

And what is the name for the people that fall under that category ? Casuals.

[Totemfar-nekrosh]

@Uda-uldum

You claim to be a casual player because you play 50 hours ? SURE. Other people will claim that 20 hours defines them as casual players. Or 10. Dont care.

@Uda-uldum

Casual is STILL defined by “amount of hours played”. Not WHAT you play.

@Uda-uldum

“I am a casual player BECAUSE I play Delves”

You made that clear here… You do see the issue in the above right?

@Uda-uldum

RELATIVE to a hard core player, whichever value you choose to define a “casual” it will ALWAYS be smaller.

I didn’t define it… YOU did. I then asked about your definition and you said it doesn’t matter. So how can you claim Delves were made for “casual players” when you don’t even know what a casual player is? if everyone can be a casual player?

@Uda-uldum

They said that Delves are for the individuals that play “a little”

Where?

because:

@Totemfar-nekrosh

without significant time commitments

Is not the same as:

@Totemfar-nekrosh

ow much time you are willing to invest playing the game]

Again… And I even helped you out:

@Totemfar-nekrosh

The key words in that quote is “progression”

Let me spell it out. P.R.O.G.R.E.S.S.I.O.N

NOT “hours played”

again…

@Uda-uldum

You keep quoting specific sentences with out reading what comes after it.

Ironic at its finest.

[Cmcmc-ravencrest]

The game is only for shamans and paladins.
Why are you opening a topic?