Could not have said it better myself.
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Angels, Hell and Demons can still be translated to WoW terms, I really do not know why would you even mention it, but in generally I do agree, my problem is not of what the Church of Light is, is what you implied on your previous post.
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This i basically my point. Most D&D style fantasy like warcraft was very un-creative those 30 years ago and just boiled down to copypastes of IRL christianity with swords, knights and monsters.
Warcraft has adapted since to move it forward, while still keeping itâs inspiration.
People equating all Christianity to crazy evangelicals and political conservatives do be kinda cringe.
P.S.A. Tolkien is a distinctly Christian author.
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Oh I know how you lads are all about that friendship and âGAAAAANG GAAAANGâ so itâs not exactly rocket science either to figure out youâre here to have eachotherâs backs like best of bros, which is cute donât get me wrong.
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Man will never share a brokiss.
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Yes we are friends
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I mentioned Angels and Demons and Hell etc because in early Warcraft, Warcraft 1 in particular, they were existing things in the lore. The humans believed in âHellâ, the demons were stated in lore to come from there, and they had Angels watching over them etc.
But all of this has been rectonned away as the lore became its own thing.
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I find it a lot more disheartening that this is their knee-jerk reaction the moment they registered some keywords like Christianity, West and Religion.
Itâs like they donât read the first post and then trash it for including certain topics rather than discussing them.
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Ye, I do not hold any own opinions of how I think or behave, Iâm forced by my guild leader to do what I do and behave how I behave.
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Tbqh totally expected a Norf roleplay to post this, and not a nelfposter. Now Iâm thinking itâs a bait.
Donât you have any friends to tell you to stop posting when you are going insane? 
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People are, on the whole, missing the point of this thread.
A certain brand of roleplayer, attached to the cultural accidents of Christianity and the West, might say that âWarcraft is becoming less Christianâ in that the franchise is daring to explore other cultural milieux (such as, in the case of Pandaria, Chinese civilisation) - but this is not what Queteron is saying! Mists of Pandaria was as Christian an expansion as any of its predecessors, because it left the moral core of Warcraft intact.
Whether consciously or unconsciously, the developers imported a certain worldview into the game, possibly because their American culture implicitly acknowledges this worldview. This worldview, in the words of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, is that the world âis good, despite all the evil in it and despite all the sorrow, and it is good to live in it.â The Christian cosmos is a good one, under the supreme power of a God who is good, despite the evil which (for the time being) dwells in it.
The Warcraft cosmos, although not naming a monistic principle such as the Christian God, shared this worldview. The Light, Elune, the powers of life â all of these were simply, unambiguously good, and it was good to advance their interests in the world. The heroes, even when they tapped on darker forces (cf. warlocks and death knights), were working towards a world in which goodness would prevail over evil. The story, moreover, portrayed this fight as a winning one: the free races of the world, over the course of games and expansions, were becoming conscious of the need to band together against evil, and were scoring magnificent victories against it.
Somewhere in the mix of Warlords of Draenor and Legion, consummated by the Chronicle book, this worldview was upturned. Now the Light and Shadow, Life and Death, etc. are morally equivalent; now the monism has become a dualism; now the victory of Light and Shadow is not only no longer inevitable, it would be evil. The Light is not a principle of good whose victory would represent the freedom of all souls from domination. Instead, it now represents, at its apex, the eradication of freedom.
A few narrative points make this clear:
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The Naaru were once depicted as great powers of good, in whose presence one could feel ultimate safety. Notably, they gave Crusader Bridenbrad the rest he deserved, something none of the other characters could achieve. Now, they are a sinister force, masterminding genocide and trying to bend souls to their will.
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The moral and eschatological privilege of the forces of good (Light, life, Elune etc.) is gone. Now, they are morally equivalent to the erstwhile forces of evil (shadow, undeath, the fel) and any final eschatological victory for either side would eradicate a good original balance between them.
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Significantly, peopleâs souls are now grist in the conflict which drives the franchise â now, player characters cross the Shadowlands quest zones killing immortal souls and reducing them to raw energy, and this is presented as good. (This is counter to the Warcraft universeâs prior implicit acknowledgement of the Christian doctrine of the immortality of the soul.) Furthermore, the eternal rest promised to Bridenbrad and Ysera now seems to have been forgotten.
What does this mean for Warcraftâs success as a narrative enterprise and a roleplaying setting? (After all, one might say that the setting has simply matured.) But it means everything â the ultimate draw of fantasy is that it actualises a world free of the pains and cares of our present world. What people often idealise as âmorally complexâ writing is often just the abandonment of the hope of morality. In well-written fantasy, good can triumph over evil, and we (as players) can score these triumphs on its behalf.
Now, the Warcraft cosmos is cold and nihilistic, and (for players of faith) seems even nastier than the world we live in.
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Mans like Gizzyfius really do be thinking a discord goes âGUYS HELP ME DUNK THIS GUYâ rather than just âlol look at this postâ
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As someone who worked with a local church for four years in total? Yeah, this is something that a bit too many people also assume right from the get-go.
Especially when taking on accord how different for an example Christianity is seen by parts of Europe when compared to the USA, etc.
Not what I said, broski.
I mean the fact my posting makes you so disheartened is appreciated, but you shouldnât be over someone just talking about things on the internet.
Yes, this is exactly what I said Fearless. Quote n quote, geez.
Bro I joined GG for RP not gang mentality, I am here trying to be polite with you and all youâre doing is making yet another ugly assumption. Do you genuinely believes that you appear on forums and someone goes âGUYS HELP GIZZYFIUS IS SPITING BARSâ
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Letâs not joke ourselves, 90% of the time the reason most of us shows up in droves to new posts is because we are all nerds who check for new threads.
Not due to getting called in by someone.
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I begin to flex my Christian-gained muscles up and down on every non-Christian in this thread.
I cannot speak for my fellow Muscular Christians in Bladewing, but I for one shall dab on the atheists and floss my way to enlightenment!
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No?
I literally just said you lot have seem to call your friends over to engage in a topic, I am not exactly sure how that means I am dunking on all of you to not have your own individual thoughts or identity, Tarrook.
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smiles in most secular country on Earth