No, we don't want RDF! We really don't want that šŸ¤Æ

From general talk in LFG and in the guild chat. The outcome of a poll is very much influenced by where it is held, if on Reddit, ppl aged max 25 or so, then it will favour having RFD.

A poll there would also favour bosses dropping dead on sight and dropping full BiS gear instantly for everyone so ppl didnā€™t ā€˜haveā€™ to play the game anymore.

But thatā€™s another thing, yet also a very similar thing, in some way.

Wait, are you suggesting that people feeling bad about RDF missing are more likely to fill out surveys about RDF than people happy with it or not caring about it?
Thatā€™s impossible, because we know that every survey is 100% unbiased. /s

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You dont know the WoW community very well.

There are a lot of people who have a hard time understanding that the people that would rate a product anything but 1 or 5 is rather few. People only let others know when they think something is horrible or if they think its the best thing ever made.

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Well to be fair, you dont seem to grasp whats going on now either. You even say you dont play max level but rather run around doing random stuff on RP servers. Ofc you dont remember it as you never noticed what was going on outside of your low level RP stuff.

What I do now, and what I did back in TBC / Wrath is two different things :wink: And playing on PvE servers is not RPing, which I only did ligth edition :wink:

EDTI:
Did RDF only destroy social interaction for max level players?

So apparently itā€™s social now to only ever interact with people from your social circle and completely ignore people outside of it. Plus how are you supposed to make friends if you donā€™t interact with strangers?

How long will you all keep riding this dead horse? The RDF is more social than regular group building, because it helps to connect people.

No you are exactly right. If mages and palas canā€™t boost, people are even more likely to buy blizzardā€™s boost.
The thing with mega servers could be just a technical issue with too big servers. I donā€™t see how they would influence the sale of boosts in one way or another.
But you are free to elaborate.

Ok so the polls were biased and the LFG and guild chat isnā€™t?! Oh boyā€¦
I donā€™t even start about sample size here. I better go and ask my neighbor. Heā€™s never played WoW, so he canā€™t be biased.

I mean you guys are free to show us all the surveys from the time, where everyone just expected the RDF will be in WotLK at some point. All those masses, that are against the RDF must have been on a rampage in the forums and have probably started polls of their own, so that Blizzard doesnā€™t include the RDF in WotLK Classic.
As long as you donā€™t show us any of those polls, the polls we have now are the best we gave and they are clearly in favour for the RDF.

Edit: Iā€™ve asked my neighbor and he says RDF is fine and should be in WotLK Classic.

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Itā€™s not that simple, it is more like an idea formed over a period of months looking at various sources.
Blizzard seems to have the same opinion, so who has more information, Blizzard or Zoomer kids hanging out on Reddit and 4chan, whatever that last thing may be.

In the end it probably doesnā€™t matter. You are firmly insisting that most people want RFD, and without rock solid proof that this isnā€™t so, you will not change your mind.

Because everything indicates that the majority really wants RDF. You just donā€™t want it to be true, so you cling to the words of a company known to lie to its customers, if it benefits them.

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the most likely scenario is that the true majority dont care if its there or not, the out of the thousands of people that buy a random cable on amazon there majority of ratings will be 1 or 5, 95% of the people who fall somewhere between wont bother to rate it. Those are usually the wast majority up to some times cases of 99.9999% of the people that buy a product. So you might be the majority of the people who answer polls on it. The one poll I have seen that have anything close to a statistical value at all is WillEs poll with its close to 30k answers with only 2 options so missing a option for I dont care or even better, I wouldnt care but leaning towards yes or no. You have a 62/38 split in his poll so not a massive majority but you will have to take into account that his audience are the type of people who are more likely to look up things like ā€œhow good is x classā€ so a audience that is tilted a bit more against min/maxing than what it seems that most of the people who are against RDF are. Also keep in mind that its less than 25% of his subs that have even voted in that poll.

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Yes, I really care about the social aspect on my realm Gehennas, that has 25000 raiders, total pop unknown atm, and getting to know each and every one of them.

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Well I do get your sarcasm, but there are around half the pop just here in europe that dont play on servers who have above 7k active raiders, on those servers there are actually a community you wont know everyone but you will know the reputation of most active guilds for example, and if a guild keeps a known ninja looter around their members are less likely to get invited to pugs and such. Collective punishment might not be a good thing but if a guild after they have been told that they have a person who ninja things still keep them around it shows that they dont care about those things and the likelihood of them having other not well known ninjas increase.

So what about us who actually chose to play on smaller servers to have the social aspect? Are we supposed to bend over to what the people who clearly are not looking for anything like what we are looking for want?

I want people to move from here to some of said smaller realms. 20k was still doable, but now the AH is cooked. You can only think about making money at 5am. If u need last minute consumes for the raid, you are better of loaning it from a guildie, than waiting 5 minutes to see if u bought it or someone else. I never chose to play WoW for the social aspect, more for its gameplay. Ofc, you have a social aspect in a guild, and youā€™d prefer to run dungeons with guildies, itā€™s nice there is an option if you canā€™t. Itā€™s the next best thing. If I really fixate on socializing, I close down my PC and go to a pub xD

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People really need to stop declaring their personal opinion as something ā€œweā€ want.

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But OP literally linked to the ā€œweā€ cheering loudly:

For once you got an actual video of hundreds of people cheering loudly and supporting the opinion.

What more do you want :man_shrugging:

I am 1000% sure, vast majority of the cheering audience after 3 years changed their mindā€¦I am one of those ppl (not the actual audience but I was against RDF before)

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They cheered no RDF i Classic Vanilla. If they had been told about future plans for Tbcc and even Wrath I think the reaction had been a different. ā€œWe want the game as it was, thank you very much!ā€

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Me and my friends played Wotlk over many many years, we waited Wotlk so much since they announced Classic in 2019, we knew it that Blizzard will continue on this way to release almost every expansion for every community.

And now this is a disappointing, we wanted Wotlk , not a sā€¦ game transformed because of some hypocrite and selfish players came from Classic WoW. This is disgusting

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You are contradicting yourself because I am pretty sure you want RDF before last phase. Right?

Contradicting ? I am contradicting ? The game is in 3.3.5 bro, this is a tool, not a dg/raid content. It should be in day one.
Exactly with 200 others things that it ALREADY IN because of the 3.3.5 version.

The contradiction players are those saying ā€œRDF is at the end of the gameā€ while they want to keep the mount casting 1.5sc, 150% instead 60%, keep double spec and 200 OTHERS THINGS like that

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