Compared to release of TBC.
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Yes ofc, TBCC have less players right now during the last phase compared to release. Just as Classic did. But at no point during TBCC did the game ever have the lowest amount of playersā¦
I donāt really see the relevanse with RDF though.
Wotlk will exploide in popularity. It will be the most popular after a couple of months during Ulduar. It will slow down during ToC and increase during ICC and slow down again. I really cant see how RDF will affect that in any way.
And the private server you speak of doesnāt have RDF, itās not cross realm, right? So you are comparing apples with oranges.
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Warmane has rdf and is popular as hell. Sure its not crossrealm but its there. I remember i had some times that i had players in the group from the same realm.
Only by comparing two carefully chosen points in time can you say that Classic had fewer players than TBCC. But like Urbngtrld I wonder about the relevance of this for LDF or Wrath Classic at all.
But I sincerely doubt this. Everybody and his granny is talking about how LFD ruined the game overnigth - or in a bit longer time maybe 
I donāt blame RDF (exclusively) for this, but also the many other things that happened in patch 3.3.0 -3.3.5 on which Wrath Classic will be build.
How can you prove that people quitting / not playing Wrath Classic do so because of LFD?
I for one will not play Wrath Classic more than occasionally. Not because of RDF, but because of all those other changes to gameplay, classesā¦ most everything.
Then itās not RDF.
RDF is specifically cross realm. What you have is one community and one realm with one automated group finder. Ofc that will be nice. But that is not what people ask for. They demand cross realm RDF from launch because there are a bunch of lowpop and mono faction realms.
Only the RDF crowd are making claims like that. You are the side claiming tens of thousands of players will quit bla bla.
You guys just can not be honest can you?
The guy said:
So I simply went to ironforge pro and looked at THE info available and could show that this is not true. I didnāt carefully chose anything. Itās the data on that site.
OBVIOULSY the last phase will be less popular than launch for any version of wow but right now during TBC last phase is more popular than Classic last phase and that is pretty interesting actually. I would have thought that the would be less popular right now but apparently it is not. According to ironforge pro.
It changed the social dynamics and how we interact between players while running dungeons over night. It did not make the game better or more fun. It only made it more convenient at a very high cost.
Im gonna nolife the crap out of Wotlk classic no matter if we get RDF or not. I donāt think there is anything Blizzard can do for me not to clear every raid and stayed subbed for the entire ride. I have a VERY strong nostalgia for Wotlk. That was my first start to end wow experience.
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Which side are you counting me in today? The pro-RDF counts me to the anti-RDF group and vice versa. Truth is, Iām neither. Just an old, rather tired and pessimistic #NoChnager.
OK, Iām also just interested in the truth, and I did not think that 600 players more made that big a difference ā¦ remember to check off the PvP (tbc only) checkmark so as not to skewer the numbers.
I just hope youāre not disappointed.
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You really havenāt been following all these RDF threads at all have you? I highly recommend give them all a proper readthrough before making any more daft statements.
For example:
This is most likely where Iāll be heading once the official wotlk launches.
Itās not so much the crossrealm part that makes it so popular.
But again, you would know that if you go read through all the RDF threads around.
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Obviously not. Vanillataur stated multiple times, that he isnāt for or against the RDF. He just wants an experience as close to the original game as possible. So basically #nochanges.
The argument, that you canāt pin everything just on the RDF is only logical. Blaming everything bad in WoW on the RDF, while there were a lot of other things going on, in-/ and outside of the game, at the same time, that also had an effect on the community, is just irrational and unreasonable.
That you ignore all those other factors just shows, how biased your opinion is.
Who cares about any of this? We arenāt taking about WoW Classic or TBC Classic, we are talking about WotLK Classic here.
You canāt predict the future with data from the past. Wallstreet perfectly showcases this.
So itās just nonsense to talk about the population of WoW Classic or TBC Classic in this topic.
Itās just your opinion. I disagree.
Again only your opinion and I also disagree. The game became more fun for me with the RDF and for many others aswell. The RDF opened the game up to many players, that couldnāt play it before.
The high cost you talk about is something, that only exists in your perception.
So why are you here arguing then? Especially since your points have been made multiple times already and they are still not true.
If you donāt care, about the RDF one way or another, just let us people, that do care, have it.
Edit:
Everytime I read somebody blaming the ādeteriorationā of WoW only on the RDF I think about a scene like this:
A murder was committed and the detective comes to the crime scene. There is one suspect with a strong motive, another suspect who was found with the murder weapon, yet another suspect whose finger prints are all over the crime scene and the body of this suspect is also completely drenched in blood. But the detective immediately arrests a passerby, that has a bullet proof alibi and no motive, just because he was the first person the detective saw near the crime scene.
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I count you to the smart side along with me xD, Im a semi anti-RDF though I have not figrued out if it was down to a binary (RDF from pre patch or no RDF at all) choice what you would be though.
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Iām not sure myself (shh! donāt tell anyone, but itās not that big an issue for me - the other changes are far worse). If it was added, I would like it to not be in-game from day one, but come somewhen later. So the choice: from launch, or not at all, makes me answwer with a decisive MAYBE!
I think thats why everyone is having you on what ever side is opportune for them at the moment, I have been placed squarely in the anti camp by most people xD And when ever I say I would want it in later people are telling me that I apparently wanted things like guildbanks in from the start of TBC.
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Wait wait whooo hooo take it easy here now son.
Are you claiming that based on Blizzard Forum Threads, you do not think that WOTLK Classic will be very popular? Did I understand that correct? PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.
But you do understand that I did not do that? I simply responded to a specific claim. I did not bring up population and I am flat out saying that it doesnāt matter what so ever.
I am however predicting that Wotlk will be very popular. Maybe even more popular than Classic. I am also predicting that the Fresh server will be more popular than the old servers. These are not claims though, these are just my personal predictions.
Sure, Iāll correct you. NO, I donāt base my believe in that at all. Me pointing you to all the other threads was for you to get up to speed.
Because I am NOT going through all this againā¦
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Yes I have seen, and laughed at this several times. Itās a game like āIf you canāt convinceām, confuseām!ā
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Im a bit meh for the rdf at launch for 80. But im sure it needs to be implemented between lvl 15-70. Its nice for leveling and keeps the old content a bit more relevant instead of boosting your chars. I meanā¦ if ure a quester, gl finding a group on your server that wants to do that specific dungeon, unless you love to spam all day long and all your mates have time to wait that long kek
I find it really nice that people apparently know better what I want than I do though, they might be able to clear up the cluster f that I have in my brain most of the time. Sadly they tell me I want things I dont want most of the time.
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This comment doesnāt make any sense. Are we talking over each others heads?
You quoted me when I said:
And you said
And I answer you
And you say
So I now ask you. Up to speed about what? Are we talking about how RDF will affect WOTLK Classic popularity or not?
We are talking about the effects, with or without RDF in the game.
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Obviously everything will have some effect on something so that is kinda pointless to say. What I was talking about was the effect on population specifically. And I donāt see how the popularity of wotlk classic would be affected with or witout RDF at all. I just think it will be very popular not matter what. I am also saying that it doesnāt matter. RDF doesnāt belong in any version of Classic ever because it goes against the design pillars of Classic. That has nothing to do with popularity. But whatever.
I actually sided WITH you on this ā¦ I had to read what we, and others, wrote carefully through to get un-confused.
I said to HIM; not to you, that you had to carefully choose the rigth timeline points to prove TBCC less popular than Classic. And furthermore continued to ask for the relevance for this discussion. ā¦
Later I found out that TBCC āwinsā with less than 600 players, so the difference is not that big, really.
If you want to see something fun, try comparing PvP and PvE populations during the two, thatās quite interesting - it seems Ally / PvE players prefer TBCC and once again remember to uncheck the PvP (tbc only) box.