Now the horde is pure crap

[Uruk-argent-dawn (Uruk)]

@Punyelf-draenor

I mean I would have thought as a Baine supporter it wouldn’t be hard to understand that people have different views on what is going on.

I do know that people have different views, that’s not what I have a problem with. But unlike you, who has a very biased view, even though I want Baine to shine, I am fully aware that they did him dirty by screwing him up over an over again. I won’t call him a good character and tr to defend him every chance I get. I just want him to be a good character because I think he’s got potential.

@Punyelf-draenor

Whilst I saw Saurfang, Baine and Thrall as complete traitors and hypocrites (some more than others), others saw them as trying to get away from what they perceived as Evil Sylvanas. To me Saurfang is the reason Sylvanas had to resort to burning the tree. That wasn’t the plan, they were going to occupy it.

As far as I know, it’s been said that Sylvanas was working on killing as many people aspossible and sending them to the Maw. So she was going to burn down Teldrassil regardless of Saurfang, as that was her goal. This entire war has been to kill as many people from both sides as possible.

@Punyelf-draenor

In that same way I do not see Sylvanas as a traitor. She couldn’t stay after what happened outside the Gates of Orgrimmar. But I met with her afterwards. She did not desert me or betray me. She protected me from anyone knowing I sided with her because she knew of the consquences that would bring.

She said that the Horde were NOTHING to her. She didn’t have to tell that and she’d still be the warchief. Those were her own words. You may try to justify it, but the message was clear. She showed the horde the middle finger.

@Punyelf-draenor

Whilst I have liked having choice in the game, it was pretty meaningless other than getting some alternate/extra cut scenes. It didn’t change any outcome, but it can’t really. It’s not like playing a single player game.

I’m fine with that. If you want to follow an evil character, you should be allowed to do so. But trying to justify her when facts are being thrown right in your face shows some serious bias.

[Yphera-kazzak]

Yep I always say choose someone you dislike to be the next warchief as they will get killed or turn insane without a doubt!

[Rawlings-earthen-ring]

@Kilean-mannoroth

Burning down Teldrassil was the first step fixing them.

They’ll thanks us for this, one day.

Change can be painful and all

[Rawlings-earthen-ring]

Good thinking, maybe Baine should be Warchief after all then

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

So I like Sylvanas that makes me biased but you liking another character is not biased.

[Yphera-kazzak]

But he is so cute I was going to pick Saurfang…but yeah…it’s like a Game of Thrones series…everyone dies!

[Uruk-argent-dawn (Uruk)]

@Punyelf-draenor

So I like Sylvanas that makes me biased but you liking another character is not biased.

Sorry, but unlike you regarding Sylvanas, I don’t try to defend Baine every chance I get and see something about him that exists only inside my own head.

[Liaara-drakthul (Liaara)]

Punyelf made it clear already, taurens are superior as food to any race in the horde.
At last he can be realy delicious Beef steak Ala Garrosh (pikant and salty), it could be very tasty.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

I don’t defend everything she has done. I have never claimed she is all good either. I actually think morally grey is the worst thing Blizz could have said about her.

I think people are presuming a lot with the Maw now that hasn’t actually been said.

[Rawlings-earthen-ring]

@Yphera-kazzak

But he is so cute

Baine is actually a decent guy (Tauren), with honorable intentions, to be fair.

However, I gotta hate him, he’s a BIG TRAITOR!! (UD hat on)

[Азриил-deathguard (Азриил)]

@Punyelf-draenor

Saurfang is the reason Sylvanas had to resort to burning the tree.

No. She burned the tree because the elf who was dying was mentally above her.

- YouTube

[Uruk-argent-dawn (Uruk)]

@Punyelf-draenor

I don’t defend everything she has done. I have never claimed she is all good either.

I think people are presuming a lot with the Maw now that hasn’t actually been said.

I’m only stating that which has been said, I’m afraid. I’m not making stuff up.

[Rawlings-earthen-ring]

He would taste delicious, especially with some spicy fries

[Rawlings-earthen-ring]

Ah, but Saurfang didn’t kill Malfy. Then shizz escalated pretty quick.

[Uruk-argent-dawn (Uruk)]

And if Saurfang didn’t interfere, Sylvanas would have been dead.

[Азриил-deathguard (Азриил)]

@Rawlings-earthen-ring

Ah, but Saurfang didn’t kill Malfy. Then shizz escalated pretty quick.

I think Horde could do with new and fresh leader. Someone new to lore. But current writer Christie Golden would just make it a Vulpera, whod fall in love with Boy King, so we have to wait new writer for Horde to get something refreshing.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

It’s really amusing how people twist the story to suit their narrative. On both sides.

She burned the tree because Saurfang failed her. They were going to occupy Teldrassil and then he didn’t kill Malfurion. So she had to strike a new blow. The tree was it.

[Rawlings-earthen-ring]

True, but not sure how that relates to my reply to this chap:

@Азриил-deathguard

No. She burned the tree because the elf who was dying was mentally above her.

Unless we have our wires crossed? (I have concussion, is possible)

[Азриил-deathguard (Азриил)]

@Punyelf-draenor

It’s really amusing how people twist the story to suit their narrative. On both sides.

And you do not. Of course. Always those, who do not agree with your Sylvanas fandom twist the story.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

Both sides!!!

That includes me.