Old version of wow is better still than current one

[Heramaar-argent-dawn]

@Furyeclipser-stormscale

Not to the people who like leveling

My man, who said that everyone likes leveling?

I love leveling in single player games. I mostly hate it in multiplayer games (if they include PvP).

[Furyeclipser-stormscale]

@Heramaar-argent-dawn

My man, who said that everyone likes leveling?

I certainly didn’t.

[Verdill-burning-legion (Verdill)]

@Heramaar-argent-dawn

My man, who said that everyone likes leveling?

Negation of “no one” isn’t “everybody”.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Rève-the-maelstrom

Plenty?

Yep.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

DF have way less players than even shadowlands

You have no clue about that. But even if it does; a lot of that is Shadowlands’ fault!

@Rève-the-maelstrom

Even having this discussion about which version is better, classic or df, is an direct argument against DF.

No it’s not.
Just like a discussion about whether you like peanutbutter or jelly better isn’t a direct argument against either. Stop being so utterly inane.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

People still preffering to play a 2004 version of wow with no updates instead of a 2023 one is a big shame for blizz.

And some people prefer to ride their old classic car instead of a new one. Doesn’t make the old one ‘better’ objectively.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

You poor guy, you dont even realize that the main reason DF is actually decent compared to the last expansions is because they listen to some of us and did a more “classic” route for DF.

You poor something. You can’t even read when I said ‘IN CERTAIN WAYS’.
I played vanilla; I liked vanilla. Back then.
But the game WoW is today is MUCH better than vanilla was overal; doesn’t mean there aren’t certain aspects I liked in vanilla (some that I even still like).

@Rève-the-maelstrom

Talents trees

Yeah, I like them and that was one of the things I liked in vanilla.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

world pvp being a thing again

No. Do not want. In any way, shape or form; if I can ignore it; it’s fine. Otherwise; no.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

proffesions being relevant

I don’t like what they’ve done with professions. It’s too much work for too little gain.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

afk flying mounts ‘removed’

Again not a change I like. I prefer the traditional flying over dragonriding; mount choice is a big part of that; I don’t like it that I’m forced to use only 4 ugly mounts.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

lore/questing more classic

Questing is NOT more classic; it’s the same it’s been for the last number of years. I like it that way, don’t get me wrong, but you do NOT get to claim that that is because of classic, because that’s just pure nonsense.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

world being more engaging

Again; has NOTHING to do with classic. Classic’s world is useless for anything except leveling and farming mats. In DF there’s all kinds of things to do out in the world during and AFTER leveling.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

no more borrowed power

Not a classic thing either; they just got rid of something that a group of vocal players disliked. I personally like borrowed power just fine; as long as the main system is fun.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

that’s exactly what wow needs.

Some yes, some no.
Stop acting as if classic is some holy grail; it’s not. It’s a game that was fun. Almost 19 years ago. Things changed.

[Wolfex-hellfire (Wolfex)]

@Elahri-silvermoon

There’s absolutely nothing to do

Wrong. PvP was a blast back then. We made big raids to surge Orgrimmer, grouping up at Crossroads and having great fun. Also Nagrand Halaa, Gurubashi arena, BGs were a lot better than Panda land (awful). I didn’t PvE but we had some amazing raids back then also. We had plenty to do, and I didn’t leave WoW so much back then, I stay subbed throughout. I unsubscribe on WoW nowadays to wait until they fix the so many broken things in the game. It’s full of bugs and PvP is a dire state.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Wolfex-hellfire

PvP was a blast back then.

Agree to disagree.
PvP in WoW has NEVER been good imo.

@Wolfex-hellfire

I didn’t PvE but we had some amazing raids back then also.

Lol… If you didn’t PvE how the hell can you say the raids were amazing?!
“Oh I love the taste of cheese… I never had a bite of cheese in my life, but man… that taste is amazing”

@Wolfex-hellfire

We had plenty to do

Depends on what kind of player you were back then honestly.
I did raiding back then; so yeah, I had plenty to do. I farmed mats for the raid and just to make gold in my ‘downtime’ and I farmed resistance gear when needed, etc etc.
But it was all about that raiding. It was raid-or-die. ANd that became very apparent when I stopped raiding at the end of vanilla and in TBC I was absolutely bored out of my skull. All I did was farm ore and a few reps and do some dungeons. That was LITERALLY it.

@Wolfex-hellfire

It’s full of bugs and PvP is a dire state.

Again; PvP was never good in WoW. Ever.
Imo.

[Rève-the-maelstrom]

@anon85751942

This is all true, but it’s not like classic

by classic, i mean until like wotlk… not just vanila

[Wolfex-hellfire (Wolfex)]

@Tah-earthen-ring

Lol… If you didn’t PvE how the hell can you say the raids were amazing?!

It’s called timewalking…? And clearing them to farm mounts.

Also, I actually raided in WotLK and those were great challenging raids. Nax was one of my favourites, and ICC was great too. I enjoyed them a lot.

[Rève-the-maelstrom]

@Tah-earthen-ring

No. Do not want. In any way, shape or form; if I can ignore it; it’s fine. Otherwise; no.

@Tah-earthen-ring

Again not a change I like. I prefer the traditional flying over dragonriding; mount choice is a big part of that; I don’t like it that I’m forced to use only 4 ugly mounts.

I could have guest that you’re this kind of chicken… sorry, i mean player. Also, that you will preffer afk-ing in dull old flying mounts. Could have trully guessed that, haha. Your opinion really started to matter way less in my eyes. Good day sir.

[Nemmar-eonar (Nemmar)]

This thread is funny in how people voice displeasure but don’t really understand the cause.
You don’t want seasonal content anymore. Say THAT.
No amount of increased world difficulty is gonna deliver what you want. You need to funnel players back to the world and the only way to do that is to stop funneling them into instances.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Wolfex-hellfire

It’s called timewalking…?

No. That’s not AT ALL comparable with how raids were.

@Wolfex-hellfire

And clearing them to farm mounts.

Even less comparable.

@Wolfex-hellfire

Also, I actually raided in WotLK and those were great challenging raids. Nax was one of my favourites, and ICC was great too. I enjoyed them a lot.

Great for you. So what was your point? That raids now aren’t good?
I think you’ll find that the general consesus is that raids have generally become much more interesting when compared to the early days (doesn’t mean all of them are good all the time; there’s disappointments, like there always are with just about everything).

@Rève-the-maelstrom

I could have guest that you’re this kind of chicken…

Could’ve guessed (that’s the actual word, not guest) that you would resort to insults; PvPers usually do; they’re the aggressive, vindictive kind. So yeah; no surprise there.

@Rève-the-maelstrom

Your opinion really started to matter way less in my eyes.

[Osangar-aszune (Osangar)]

My point was that there aren’t MANY games that keep that sort of loyalty over the years. The fact you can only find ONE proves it.

ONE is not MANY!

[Wolfex-hellfire (Wolfex)]

@Tah-earthen-ring

No. That’s not AT ALL comparable with how raids were.

Not really? You still see and experience the raid.

@Tah-earthen-ring

Even less comparable.

Maybe so, but same answer as above. ^

@Tah-earthen-ring

Great for you. So what was your point?

Are you dumb? I clearly made my point. You said “LoL yOu DiDnT PvE BaCk ThEn”, so I said that actually did.

@Tah-earthen-ring

I think you’ll find that the general consesus is that raids have generally become much more interesting when compared to the early days

You know what they say about opinions, everyone’s got one…

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Wolfex-hellfire

Not really? You still see and experience the raid.

Sure, and in THAT context you’re completely entitled to say that raid is awesome.
But you can’t speak about the original because the experience and context was just different.

@Wolfex-hellfire

Maybe so, but same answer as above.

Same answer, but even more extreme.
Soloing a raid and killing a boss in 1 or a few hits is a completely different experience than doing the raid when it is current content with a group of people.

@Wolfex-hellfire

Are you dumb? I clearly made my point. You said “LoL yOu DiDnT PvE BaCk ThEn”, so I said that actually did.

Nonono, don’t start spinning this… YOU said you didn’t PvE:

@Wolfex-hellfire

I didn’t PvE

So don’t claim I said it. I just went on what you said… But now you’re saying you did?
So… You lied? Good to know.

@Wolfex-hellfire

You know what they say about opinions, everyone’s got one…

Yep. But since this is a thread where a few people are claiming ‘old WoW’ was better… this is relevant. Because this whole thread is predicated on an opinion.

[Axran-ravencrest]

im back you guys miss me ?
, finished work, decided to log in to wow,
got bored,
now im playing hearthstone

that decision only took 5minutes . lack of content being the culprit

[Rève-the-maelstrom]

@Axran-ravencrest

im back you guys miss me ?
, finished work, decided to log in to wow,
got bored,
now im playing hearthstone

that decision only took 5minutes . lack of content being the culprit

Same. Logged in, stayed 1 hour and a half in solo shuffle queue, and 30 minutes in random bg. Managed to play a game. My full geared charater still feels like a fresh lvl 70 character, because snowflakes that dont even play pvp complained about “equality”. Logged out.

[Náia-argent-dawn (Náia)]

Ok but what about us who don’t play retail as much anymore, but also don’t play classic - like AT ALL ?
How do you explain that?
Why do you think going back to classic design (Slow) would make us enjoy Retail more, when we play neither?

It feels like you target a very niche group to explain away something.
I want classic to be classic, and retail to be retail:
retail just need more actual content (Read; Optional - example Housing, more dungeons, smaller raids, more stuff like the MoP farm or islands (no power gain).)

[Axran-ravencrest]

@Náia-argent-dawn

retail just need more actual content (Read; Optional - example Housing, more dungeons, smaller raids, more stuff like the MoP farm or islands (no power gain).)

ive come to terms with the fact that those content options will never be back, they struggle to get a new raid on time let alone a new feature of content

• it just isnt the same blizzard team we used to know, it churns out pve content and then calls it a day with a season gear reset

its a shame but its just facts at this point

its bitter pill to swallow but, theres just too many options now that compete with WoW and people want WoW to be top but it just cant compete as they dont for the most part listen to the playerbase and churn out the same problems each expansion

• even other titles under Activision-Blizzard are suffering like WARZONE 2, and Diablo 4

they just cant hit the mark on any of their titles

[Rève-the-maelstrom]

@Náia-argent-dawn

Ok but what about us who don’t play retail as much anymore, but also don’t play classic - like AT ALL ?
How do you explain that?
Why do you think going back to classic design (Slow) would make us enjoy Retail more, when we play neither?

If you dislike classic, i really dont get why will you not love current wow. Its fast, convenient, easy, instanced, boring and shallow. What’s not to love.

Anyway, on a more serious note, people that wish that retail will get more to its roots, are not just the people that play on classic. Most of them just left. I’m not saying classic as it is now, its beter. I’m just saying classic roots are way better than retail roots. But it needs to be upgraded to 2023.

Over the years, wow population dropped especially when they chose the modern route. The most loved expansions, are the ones closer to the classic roots. And the worst ones, are the ones that got nothing in common with classic wow.

[Grozog-thekal]

@Axran-ravencrest

they just cant hit the mark on any of their titles

Well you are right. And there is 1 single reason for it. Acessability. Blizzard used to make great games becouse they simply desing game to be fun and nothing els. Then for some corporate reason they started desing their games not around fun but around participation numbers aka making all their games more acessible for those player metrics. Which is what ruining all their games.

Worst part is that lot clueless players give Blizzard possitive feedback for some of this bad decisions. You know like putting lfr into WoW or having quadriziliom difficulty levels. Both bad decision yet lot of peopel were cheering when they put it into the gamw then wonder why is game so freaking boring.