Yes they are issue since its path of least resistance and both those systems ruins social pillars. Not even commenting on fact how are lfg dungeons boringly easy.
No they are not. They remove desire to actualy play game as you can beat entire game in easy.mod than quit. Also they cause powecreep to go insane.
Rofl Blizz literaly resets our gear progress every single patch thats so many players doesnt even bother with gear and rather quit
Yep 200+ with 5 pople online and nobady talking wp.
To what end? Why do you even need better gear in wow lol? To beat harder diffifulty level of content you alredy beated in easy mod so you can get even better gear to increase diffiuclty again? Thats really pathetic and weak motivation.
*Flying mounts
*All the action happening in one new zone
*Leveling is boring (old expansion zones should not be part of leveling experience, make it just an option. leveling from 1 to 60 should happen in old azeroth, 60-70 in the actual expansion)
*Gear progression (they also removed pvp gear progression in df for some reasons)
*Being the chosen one type of quests
*Borrowed power (onyx ring is already annoying)
*Boring class design
*Similar classes design
*To many classes added (for example, DH/DK could been just a quest line that added a new spec; lizzard class added nothing to the game)
*etc etc
p.s. “flying mounts” i know its a hard one to accept that is bad for the game. because people like the convenience it added. But it destroyed the exploration, adventure and details of the world. Also it destroyed player interaction. Dragonriding is way better, because you can’t afk in the air and you gotta do stuff to stay in the air, but its still not good enough. Dragonriding can be fine, as long as they are making it less convenience to stay in the air. Less up time. More flying restricted zones. Higher cast time summoning your dragon when in warmode. Etc etc. They can make it work.
The problem with Classic for me is real simple. ‘Other Players’. The reason being that I either spent an eternity waiting for a mob to spawn that is on a very long cool down, just to be robbed by another player or I am on a quest line that suddenly requires five others to complete and there is nobody around.
My trek through the original game was littered with places of dread where I could never get the main boss cus of other players. There was also numerous places where I couldn’t quest cus of players farming rep from mobs. My heart would sink when I got to a quest location just to find players camped waiting and none would help each other.
Fast forward to retail and the game lets more than one tag a mob. The quests are generally localised so I only have to work one location. Mobs are on near instant spawn and I can get on with things.
For those that think this game means multi player at a levelling stage… you are dillusional. I have been playing almost every day since April 2008 and my time spent in game on my own must be close to 99 percent. I often reflect on the things I do and just how on earth I would ever get other players to join me due to the time of day or the specific task in hand. I use to constantly be searching with /who in zones like Shadowmoon and Nagrand and even Eastern and Western P in the early days and there was nobody about.
What was worse you would get these players who simply enjoyed finding a main hub and standing there insta killing the main boss so players couldn’t continue. There was this one Warlock I recall that boasted he could do this all day long. And that doesn’t include the endless nights I couldn’t play cus of the opposing faction living in your hub. Nobody came to help and nothing could be done. Happened so much that.
So retail for me answers all my problems relating to the earler game. Don’t get me wrong I loved Classic. There was so much about those games that was truly wonderful. But then I loved Final Fantasy VII, Tomb Raider, Duke Nukem and Settlers but I wouldn’t ever think of playing them now. I’m living for today and that means retail Warcraft cus supporting the game I love and still enjoy means a lot to me. If you are struggling to enjoy the game then you must be doing fun all wrong.
PS With retail you can play everything. I can journey from Sunstrider Isle all the way to the outer reaches of Dragonflight. Why on earth would I restrict my game time to just a few nibbles of the original game with no chance of ever getting to the later expansions. In a game like WoW that seriously is waisting valuable game time.
Not true. We need more feedback like mine. Lots of people feel like I do, but they dont care to do something about it anymore. Because of “it is what is is” mentality or because they simple lost faith in wow direction. But we can actually change something if we keep giving feedback.
Well, you can go get info yourself if you care enough. Everybody knows DF subscribtion numbers are very low. Way lower than shadowlands. And now, it started to drop even more. Queues are very long for a reason, dont you think?
And as I said before 1 milion times. I dont want to play a 20 years old version of the wow. I want the current one to be good. At this moment playing DF only still. Its a decent expansion compared to the last ones.
While this thread is obvious bait for flame war about tastes, please retail players don’t overuse that “nostalgia” argument - if classic/TBC/WotLK would be bad power of nostalgia wouldn’t last too long. People play older versions because they find them better, I don’t know why this even needs explanations…
Its not just a bait for flame tho. But you’re right. I did it intentionally like that so it will get more attention. But my reasons and arguments are very true.
And yes, the nostalgia argument is so dumb i cant even… Classic launch was in 2019. And people are still creating new characters at this moment. How the hell is this nostalgia, lol
Ok, but there are players still choosing retail over classic. These threads are basically “orange vs apples”. There are no one universal truth which version is better.
Of course people chose retail instead of classic. Im one of them. But its not because retail is better. Its because classic is ultra old and with zero updates.
Also, the people that play retail and likes retail how it is, are way lower numbers than the whole wow players base. Remember how many subscribtions used to have and how much they got now. Also, probably half if not more of the subscribtion numbers now are from classic era/wotlk realms.
People need to understand that retail supporters that are loud right now are just a low number from the total wow players base. They dont represent the majority.
You say classic is better but you don’t play it because it’s old? Sorry, but you’re talking nonsense, you’re just looking for attention from my point of view.
if you read all my comments u will understand.
What can i do with this kind of attention tho? how does it serve me? haha. really no. Im doing it simple because i love warcraft universe and i want it to succed. But by succed I mean so the current version of the game to be good. Not just to play the old one instead. Plus, its trully not about my opinion. Most of wow base players dont like the direction modern wow took. And it shows in subscribtion numbers.
the poll is the actual dragonflight subscribtion numbers. Its very low numbers. Lower than shadowlands. And shadowlands was a s…t show. Also, the poll is the classic era/wotlk players number. Why is it so high if the current game is good? When TBC launched, how many players do you think would have chosed to play classic instead and throw TBC away? something close to ZERO, im telling you. Its not common for players to preffer the old version if the actual one is good. They do that only when the actual one fails.
Btw, you really fail to understand how much 20 years difference means. With the tech and money they got right now, retail should been 100x better than classic. This disscusion should never even exist.
Where you get this numbers? And another question: if WotLK Classic is so freaking good now, why now we don’t have subscription numbers the same as in times of actual WotLK? You know there are no different subscriptions, it’s one subscription for both retail and classic.
Maybe Warcraft overall, or even MMORPG as a genre is not such popular than before?
As for me - I think retail is better than WotLK. WotLK is so much outdated in terms of game design. Even retail is outdated compared to newly released MMORPGs, but is tiny better. One thing is much better in WotLK - the story. But I easily experinced that in retail.
Lol, what a great question…not. Because its a very old version with zero stuff updates!!! ofc it will never get the same amount of players. But it still got way more players than its logical to have.
Sure, I feel like DF is better than WOTLK as well. But as i said, its still an old expansion. And also, in wotlk they already started in the wrong direction.
I’m just trying to understand, where people have this idea “classic has more players than retail” from. There is no official stastistics. The only thing I can google is very vague assumptions of WoW subscription in general, but those numbers don’t differentiate Retail vs Classic. But OP just saying it as a proved fact, even more, somehow he knows the trend of shifting players from retail to classic.
I agree with comparison with past times.
But I believe OP states that today more players are playing WotLK Classic server instead of retail. Or I just got it wrong.
not just wotlk classic. Classic era+ wotlk classic. And im just saying half of the actual subscribtions probably are from there. If we judge by servers populations. Im also saying dragonflight population started to decline and classic to increase. Judging by queue times/streamers/youtubers. In takes longer to get in a battleground in DF than in wotlk. And wotlk is actually in decline as well. Just classic ERA is getting new players.