On verge to stop playing classic due to cleave groups

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I have been a huge supporter for classic for years and also played a lot on private servers.

One of the reasons I don’t like retail is the mindless rush mentality in dungeons where nothing actually matters in terms of actual strategic gameplay. You just smash through it. What the mobs are named, their abilities have no meaning. If they were sheep named “Target 1, Target 2” etc, no one would even notice.

I have beem venting my frustration about this for years and many agree and the consesus is that we should wait for classic.

I have cleared vanilla dungeons hundreds of times during vanilla and on private servers and I love the playstyle of focusing down specific targets and use of utility and crowd control.

But in classic I now find myself not even being able to get into groups as a resto shaman.

For SM Lib (for example) I have always been able to clear with 32ish level people no problem.

Now my level is too low because I am expected to heal mobs hitting everything included hellfire spamming warlocks. Rhey don’t have want to wait so they don’t want someone that drink between pulls.

So the meta is now spellcleave or meleecleave with specific comps. And only a shaman if I have improved WF totem.

I even try to form my own groups for regular quest runs, but people even join and try to force the group into a aoe farmfest. Some say level 33 is now too low for Graveyard and SM Lib even though dungeons are easier then on private servers which I did as level 32. It wasn’t like this on Nostalrius, Elysium or Lights Hope private servers.

Why is it about this min maxing stuff anf rush to 60? The reason me and others wanted classic is to escape this exact mentality.

One common response is “People must play the way they want”.

But what if peoples way of playing and changing the meta for dungeons makes it almost impossible for rest of community to get into groups.

I sat for 5 hours yesterday trying to get SM lib done, which didn’t happen.

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Are you on a PVP server? It’s usually those people that just mindlessly try to AoE everything. On PVE I’ve consistently seen mages being very good at sheeping, telling people not to break the sheep, tanks pulling carefully, etc.

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Here is an idea maybe stay away from pugs?if you are max level?And so far i get an inv into groups no problem while leveling.

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Bruh! Just form your own group :wink:
Get like minded people and do your dungeon!
(But you should get imp soe and wf totem talents to help out the tank and other Melee)

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In my server, we respect healers… its PvE tough, maybe more mature crowd.

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I concur that on Mograine as well the LF channels are overwhelmed with specific spell cleave or warrior cleave with certain weapons requests. And i do not type “overwhelmed” lightly. We are talking about dozens. I even see people demanding that some classes to NOT have specific talents.

It’s becoming ridiculous.

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Thats the mentality these days, i was an absolite fool to think it would be different in classic.

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That sounds horrible tbh Shodana.

Maybe making your own groups, and explaining in the lf add what kind of group you’re looking for might help Mussy? I understand your preference, I’d join rightaway, and there must be more like us :D.

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Find people who play the way you like, that’s all. Short story:

Yesterday I was in Gnomeregan in a party I didn’t know, 2 people with very little patience: a healer pestering the tank (a paladin, who had to drink), and a mage who was there just to get his quests done as quickly as possible. With 2 bosses left after a massive pull that was the mage’s fault we wiped and both individuals left the party without saying a word.

We found a warlock and a level 27 priest who was very happy to be invited. They had the patience to go through the respawns, we cleared and we helped everybody complete the available quests.

Later almost the same group (we got a different healer) assembled again contacted by the tank just to give SM a try. We walked together, had some encounters with Horde (PvP realm). We cleared the graveyard and struggled through the library with a lot of CC and deaths until we wiped at Doan and respawns made us quit, not without trying to go Leeroy, half for the laughs and half for “BUT MAYBE”, to see if we could just die beyond the respawns with a soulstone.

Needless to say it didn’t work (half of the dungeon was up) so we called it day, but it was one of the most enjoyable runs I remember.

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what server are you? maybe we could group up.

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I have seen people asking for “cleave” groups but these are the people way ahead of the curve trying to rush 60. Generally though most groups are just normal and not min/maxing. I haven’t experienced any bad groups personally but then again I’m not even lvl 30 yet.

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I suggest you to find a tank with a similar mindset and exclude all AoE classes from your group. I’m not going to do AoE clears and I prefer slow pace. I’m sure that there are enough tanks who’s playing like you and DPS is never a problem.

One thing might be that you’re leveling too fast. Most of “casual” players probably are in 20-25 levels and those who rushed to 60 obviously have that rush mentality.

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It seems to be Flavor of the Month kind of thing to most players. It is pretty legit if you have well coordinated group but vast majority of pugs play it very messy.

Those people want fastest exp possible but half of them can’t stay on same pace with each other. I’ve seen few groups keep spamming for them and by the time I finished few normal runs they were still trying to get groups together.

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I think like 70% of the population is just mages AOE farming the sh*t out of everything. I almost only see requests for mages in SM farming and layer abusing.

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Read my post again. :slightly_smiling_face:

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so many ppl answering but havent even read the post to the end lol…

but im in the same boat as u Mussy ive stopped playing and waiting for my irl friends to hit the same lvl so i dont have to deal with this… but it is truly sad that these tryhards ruin the game by bringing hte retail mentality into this….

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Those are pirate server players, bringing pirate servers mentality. Not retail players. It is meta that was started by pirate server guilds and others just follow the meta.

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It’s neither retail nor pserver mentality, it’s streamer fanboi mentality.
99% chance these people putting “cleave” groups together are brain dead streamer fanbois you’d be better off putting straight on your ignore list. If it’s the majority then you’re on the wrong server.

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I never saw dungeon runs like this on pirate servers, while leveling anyway. Did experience Strat zerg runs which is a bit like this, but in raid.

The dungeons in Classic are way easier than on private server so I’m not sure if it’d be possible to do cleave-groups on pservers unless you’re overleved or very good at it.

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Unfortunately, the rush mentality isn’t just from ‘retail’ or simply BfA as I’d like to call it. The rush mentality is most common with humans who play mmo’s in general today. And as long as they play Classic WoW, they will have the same rush mentality which is unfortunate because that’ll just ruin others fun as well as their fun.

Reaching endgame in Classic shouldn’t be rushed since the journey to it is also very important.

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