One good side of vanilla wow, apart from elitists who ruin the fun, is that we could do hybrid specs and offer some nice buffs to the raid.
It is unfair that now, cookie-cutter builds can just get to other spec, buff the raid and then come back and be efficient as well.
This destroys us, who really enjoyed some exotic specs and offering nice stuff to raids with our uniqueness.
Maybe ban changing talents inside dungeons and raids?
maybe ban people from playing classic
So you want to change specs during the raid?
The idea of dual spec was to have one outside, and in pvp, while another one in raids.
If they are making it different that you can just change specs outside of the raid, people will just walk outside of the raid and come back.
And where was it ever stated what dual spec is supposed to be? Let people just choose for themselves how they would like to use it.
This just ruins the whole fun with hybrids. Now everyone will be forced to play cookie-cutter builds because every buff will still be available.
At least balance druids will retain some love, as itâs an aura, not a buff.
I progressed through MC with 25 men, and I insisted on not having a cookie-cutter build. So it is doable with 40 men with green gear.
Hopefully we wonât have elitists guilds on PvE servers who demand absolute max output from every member.
I dont see that as a problem, nothing stops you from making a guild where you have rules that says that you cant do that.
Hey lil secret, you donât have to be forced to do anything. Another secret, you can also just not join âelitistâ Guilds. Minmaxxing and elitists guild, it takes the fun out of the game, vanilla was never about that.
I remember I was prot/holy hybrid with full plate healing gear, with all enchants and consumables possible.
And guild leader kicked me out and invited clothadins instead, even though I was giving sanctuary buffs to tanks. And I was dispelling well with huge mana pull.
I unsub-ed next day.
Now I wonât even have sanctuary buff to offer lol. 
Youâre completely right.
But you canât expect to have rational discussions with people on these forums, most of them are retail players who want convenience, endless ''QoL" and things to be handed to them on silver platter.
And with the current Classic Lead Aggrend the game is doomed. Best advice for you is to play and see if you can endure/accept the garbage changes. Still not sure I can.
peace
So anyone that is for Dual Spec is automatically a âRetail player who wants convenienceâ?
So you are narrow-minded who only accepts one opinion and that is yours? Wow, That sure sounds like someone with whom you can have a rational discussion.
I agree with the sentiment, but I think that people will buff up before going in, change back their spec to something optimal and call it a day
even tho the following suggestion doesnât change this possibility, it would be better if your offspec could only be applied at class trainers (without forgetting the talents of both specs, so you donât have to allocate points every time)
Iâm done being polite, and ââacceptingââ opinions because itâs the right thing to do.
Call me arrogant idc, but Iâm smarter than you. By a long shot.
I know whatâs best for an old-school mmorpg type game, I understand the pillars and philosophies it was built on, and on which it should continue to be expanded upon. The ramifications, short term and long term ; and their effect on gameplay and player psyche. YOU DONâT.
You just want convenience, and you fail to realize the cost on the game overall.
I have way better knowledge and experience in game designâŚ
Now, when it comes garbage Retail, and how to make it as easy, braindead and catering to as many snowflakes as possible ; then I wonât disagree you are probably better than me 
Probably add a store, boosts, sell gold, pets, teleport to dungeon, random group finder, layering, sharding, etc. Oh waiit, itâs already in place. Well, then we better add more expensive options in the cash shop next to accomodate you!
Dual-spec is terrible, it directly contradicts the concept of an RPG game, and of classes having 3 specializations. It basically nullifies the existence of specializations altogether. If you can do anything all the time. Itâs very easy to understand, a 5y/o probably could. Also layering and megaservers are horrendous, etc.
Actually so many TERRIBLE takes and changes. You want to respec in an RPG, there should be a high cost to it.
I bet you like Aggrend and his decisions right. Classic+ will NEVER be good, and beloved, and played for years to come with this direction.
Youâre all ruining this beautiful game, I hope you are proud. Sad part is, you donât even UNDERSTAND why at a fundamental game design level.
Iâm too smart to spend my time here, idk why I do it⌠But hey just reinforces my view that the vast majority of humans arenât very smart, you included.
There is this Proverb that I like: " âWhen you assume, you make an a** out of you and meâ.
Not only did you assume that I even play Retail, which I am not, but you also went it swinging at me with personal insults and claims of superiority which makes me disregard your entire viewpoint and whatever you have to offer in this discussion - which it honestly isnât.
A discussion would mean an equal exchange, but you are only talking down down and down while you are actually the one standing deep down in a puddle of crap with how you approach people.
I donât like Retail, I donât like Aggrend and I dislike SoD as it went off the rails massively.
But yes, you are too smart and know more than EVERYONE else. I am going to do the smart thing now and actually block you because from that text alone I can tell that you are a miserable person that is probably the âAKSUALLYâ kind in real life and I really donât want someone like that around me.
I wish you the best in Life and hopefully you can eventually stop being a miserable person and move on from WoW if this is how it affects you.
Proverbs yeah sure. Youâre arguments are null.
Discussions can be fruitful and productive in some cases, but in others they cannot.
If I paint my walls yellow, and you come to my house and start arguing that the color is black ; are we supposed to have a discussion ? Youâre simply wrong.
Vanilla WoW/Classic was built on specific core game design principles and philosophies. For that reason the game endured and was loved deeply, still played 20 years later. And now you want to change it ?
That aside, I already told you why dual spec is bad. IT REMOVES THE ââSPECââ aspect of classes, if have free access to all skill trees without friction. The only correct way dual spec should be a thing (if it even should), is if the barrier to it is high, either in cost, time or both. If you cannot understand that, such a simple concept, why should I spend my time reading or writing with you, why should I consider your intellect to be able to comprehend anything ?
Some things in life are apples and oranges. Some things are grey.
But other things in life are simply just; black or white.
Now move on to your next thread, what will be next, you want summoning stones, you want more item drops per bosses, you want experience buff ? Iâm sure you do.
Itâs not really about WoW, what affects me the most is your stupidity and that of most people on these forums.
Or people with a life who enjoy running dungeons as a healer or tank but also want to do some quests.
Yes, you can pretend to heal or tank in damage spec, but there is a reason my parties are smooth and happy.
Yes, you can also kill outdoor stuff as resto druid in a minute each. Spells, melee or a mix, doesnât matter. Usually the last quests I do are level 23ish at 30. I did Hellfire quests while levelling in WLK (70-80) and I was slower than a 59 passing by.
Of course LFD might alleviate this. So that I wonât end up with a 49 healer and 41 tank by the end like in 2021. (I had mage to quest.)
So youâre advocating to remove specializations as a whole, since having access to multiple at any given time with no/low barrier to entry ; equals exactly the same thing, whether you realize it or not.
And saying that because people have a life, RPGâs should be destroyed ? In the name of having a life, mmoâs or games should be casualized in order to cater to the masses ?
Youâre the enemy. WoW already died once in the past, and hence turned into what Retail now is. You want to repeat history and do it all over again, because ââpeople have a lifeââ.
Absolute BRAINDEAD take and mentality
We have this option - only allow changing talents at the trainer.
This way, unless we have massive teleportations in and out of the dungeon, people will run dungeons with one spec and enter bg-s with another.
lol⌠Itâs not an option, itâs the absolute bare minimumâŚ
Regardless, dual spec shouldnât be in the gameâŚ
If people fail to see why by now, nothing more to say other than go play another version of the game and leave Classic alone.
Minor changes are good, but not that.
Society has regressed into an animalistic form which only seeks physical pleasure by design. There are zero principles governing the actions of the majority.
Connected to this is why people are addicted to dopamine, which is the ultimate brain killer â Why think, when you can be drugged 24/7.
I always argue that Vanilla WoW is one of, if not the best game of all time. Yet here we have people who cannot grasp that one concept and most importantly, value it.
I see how you feel though and fully understand why you are upset. Still, maybe a bunch of people here arenât even people, who knows⌠so do not lose much energy on this is my advice.
It doesnât matter regardless, until Aggrend is fired / leaves / replaced ; the game is doomed.
Private servers are the future (not the current ones though, but one can hope)