So are us the others happy to play Classic fresh as it is.
There is one item a trinket from BWL called Dragon fang talisman (DFT). We we pretty semi-casual guild with more that 70% casual players in 2020. Our Alliance guild roster had around 2 fury prots, a feral bear OOT (RL), 6 dps warriors, 5 rogues a feral cat/OOOT and 4 hunters.
Loot Council decided following:
- First and second DFTs go to fury prots as they needed solid threat generation for us to progress.
- 3rd and 4th were given to best dps warriors.
- 5th were given to 3rd tank aka feral bear Raid leader.
- 6th and 7th were scheduled to best dps Roguesā¦
And then 
hit the fan. It was announced that after two best rogues DFT is going to free roll for all the rest 4 warriors and 3 rogues. Hunter rose up saying they need DFT too, so that they can replace hit scope with dps scope on their ranged weapons. I asked if feral cat can roll on it too then, but was met with complete silence on the matter.
My situation at the time was that even though I cleared Ony and MC I didnāt even had hit cap struggling with 6% hit gear most of the time, despite, having 86Ā±3% logs and sitting slightly above worst 6th (big fish in small pond). Problem was I couldnāt take off my Wolfshead helm because my dps depended on powershifting, meaning I couldnāt replace head slot with anything having hit, like mask of the unforgiven. Warriors on the other hand had not only had better head options like Lionhearth helm, but more armor available for them in general with all mail and leather items at their disposal. Rogues even had hit on their tier set gear. Feral had dungeon blues and green garbage with select few purples having only raw stats on them that most of the time increased attack power. I was very unlucky with UBRS shoulders as they didnāt dropped for me for 5 months of farming it every 3rd day or so with 2 of them lost to rogues.
As for my role in the guild I volunteered to raid lead and tank for second ZG split team (20ppl) when phase 4 begun. The decision about 6th and 7th DFT priority was made after I already had led 2 weeks of ZG (about 5 runs) and should had led 1 more week before going to my seasonal work at sea in late spring.
From private chat I had with officers whom I replaced as ZG RL (as he was too busy IRL to lead ZG himself for the time being, yeah not too busy to attend to BWL it seemsā¦) I found out that feral was not on the loot council list for DFT. A item that would allow my cat to be hit capped and raid without struggling as I was, due to poor specialization for the feral spec in Vanilla, while the rest of blue/green log warriors and rogues were MH hit capped already in phase 2 and replaced good gear with great one for OH hit.
Yup it is true, that by that time loot council gave me the 2h mace (that only some warrior wanted for PvP) and some leather piece (was it the gloves?) from BWL. But it was nothing compared to suggestion that I should farm UBRS shoulders instead. I farmed them for 5 months. 2 of them went past me, both to rogues, no more dropped since then. As I was Alliance druid I didnāt had green trinket rewarding hit that horde players have in their pre raid too.
Realizing that my efforts mean nothing for council as I might be simply replaced by any new warrior in the nearest future, who surely get DFT prio before me, as council were praising them. In may 2020 I decided that after 2 months of seasonal work I would reroll to a warrior myself. However I got burned out, played Divinity Original Sin II to chill out, then other games and only returned in 31 of march 2021.
No more none meta specs/classes as main for me. I enjoy being useful and not left behind.
Loot council is stupid and unfair.
Guilds should have dkp. You contribute, gather dkp and can spend it on anything you want without any explanation to anyone.
Sadly like the person above me mentioned, loot council is very flawed and often biased in terms of playing favourites. It caused issues for my super nice casual guild in TBC as well, issues which were not present in Classic when we didnāt have a loot council and just went with a MS>OS +1 system. My loot council drama memory came from the Dragon Spine Trophy (DST) from Gruul, it went to a hunter with the sole reason that he was liked in the guild. While the trinket was good for him, the reason given left a lot of melee DPS pretty annoyed about it, myself included as an enhancement shaman. Didnāt help that the trinket never dropped again for us, and I never got a chance to get one since that guild fell apart mid T5. I think my take away from experiences like this is that when it comes to loot, an impartial system is needed to prevent people from being/feeling unfairly treated and allowing resentment to build over it.
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I was in DKP auction guild on PvP realm, before I moved to PvE and was given feral cat slot in council loot guild.
Witnessed drama when 3 warlocks colluded and didnāt bid on tier items vs each other, leaving enough dkp for jewellery (neck, rings, back and trinkets). That allowed them to outbid 11 mages who had bid war on each other for tier items. Mages demanded increase of base bid for tier items for warlocks and officers agreed. Next day we didnāt had summon to raid because all warlocks, including 4th that just finished leveling, left the guild.
Thats an utterly stupid response maybe you should be banned from replying out of context on the forums??
To start with im gnna open by saying.
This post is aimed generally not at the og poster, if you take offense thats on you i wont put up with trolls as i"ll just block you if your gnna try hating then dont bother replying.
There are no issues witu dual spec in classic the issue is ppl want the original flavour all over againā¦
Passā¦
Its slready been done if YOU as an induvidual guild group or W/E want classic og flavour,then go play era servers ok.
The anniversary servers are different and thats good bc going in.new directions even with old stuff cluld create new oppurtunities.
I saw a post bout this stuff saying they should do it on sod servers, those arnt even the same game bc of the runes so again its a different experience.
Im sick and tired of ppl crying about ds in classic im sick of others putting their veiws on wgat the game needs to be on everyone else.
I ve got news for you.
TOUGH!!
Ppl who want og wow have got og wow ok its done so go play that if ds bothers you.
Its time to stop the whining and start accepting that its DONE!!
iāve seen over 50 posts about this enough is enough go play era and be quiet.
Also wanting cookie cutter specs dont make us leetists.
āit is what it isā that simple rly.
Im just sick to death of crybabies demanding as a minoritory that ALL of us lose out.
You can take that mentality someplace else the decisions been made now so handle it.
Agree. And for a Feral druid the dual-spec is bad. Without it our char is more desirable in raids, having the option to go tank or cat in one specc.
The best raid-leaders know to appreciate a feral for the right raid-nights.
So you just donāt want to switch to a healer when a healer is needed?
With the amount of traffic threads like these get Blizzard should put advertising on the forums
Iām sure some big brain will write up several paragraphs showing off their deep understanding of business and how it financially benefits Blizzard and how any dissenting opinion wouldnāt be profitable
That is why 40 man raiding is good for the game and not 10 or 20.
In 40 man you need so much that all classes has some to bring. Whit 10-20 you just go for the most useful, top dps, top healer, top tank and no room for the others to give that extra.
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Exactly.
This is a raid-lead problem and deepens the game between him and the rivalling raid-leaders (in diff guild). You cannot just invite whoever because you can tailor make the raid in between fights, you actually have to think about stuff before the raid starts. Do you invite people so that certain fights become very easy, or do you invite differently so that those fights arent so easy but a certain fight deeper in the raid becomes easierā¦
Meanwhile Classic Raids: 20-25 Warriors.
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Thats not how it works tho, if they buff you and then change spec all those buffs fall off. So either they play in the same suboptimal spec for improved buffs or they can only give the non improved buffs
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i honestly dont find any fun in the drek rush meta but to each their own 
how are raids these days? does it take hours to get a zg going?
Yeah ZG and Ony runs probably take a while to fill at the moment. I havenāt done any ZG or Ony though so I have no idea how long. However, there are plenty of guilds looking for people right now. There are also pug SR MC/BWL runs I see advertised a fair bit. Plenty of GDKP runs are going still too. Some GDKP discords are still doing runs almost 7 days a week. Iād personally recommend GDKP for raids as most SR runs and guilds are full of noobs and the runs take twice as long as they should. Unless youāre an exceptional player blessed with god like reflexes who is good enough to join one of the top speed run guilds. Though if you are new I would join one of the noob guilds as although the runs take ages youāll get to learn all about the raids and they will be accepting of you being now.
Whatever your experience there are plenty of raids to join anyways. Ask in LFG for some pug discord links if youāre unsure where to find them.
Drek rush meta is also pretty dead at the moment as AV doesnāt pop and AB and WSG are running most of the day presently. Last AB weekend people were capping from AB exclusively.
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