Really only an issue in Dawnbreaker…in 1 pull.
Which are still available in Midnight. Not that you need them.
Over the years way many more. When you have a dungeon like Mists you know it is a must to have GTFO installed.
I admit i do not know the dungeon designs yet. If you do, then OK 
Ok i get it. You are just fed up about ‘things’ and confused about solutions and so you will support any radical change that blizzard is going for even if it means a complete failure and probably the death of the game.
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Severe misunderstanding from you.
Clarification:
Addons began to make encounters to easy prior to Blizzard designing their encounters to be more and more complex.
Those addons are the sole reason why encounters got so convoluted and overwhelming.
Addon authors began thinking “Look what I can do” and Blizzard began to see “Oh, this makes the encounters way to easy, we need to adjust our encounter design”. And thus things started spiraling up becuase addon authors could not let it be and kept creting things to make them game too easy.
A point was reached where Blizzard had to pull the break to keep being able to design chellenging encounters, as you hit a wall at some point where it is impossible to compete with those addons.
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Whatever gets you to stop aggroing on me brother.
At this point, I think it’s safe to say that the two camps will never agree.
Let them remove the combat addons, and then we’ll see just how “fantastic” the system will be.
As for me, I definitely won’t buy the new expansion in advance or on release day. I’ll wait and see how this all turns out.
As I’ve already said, I see two possible outcomes:
- They dumb the game down to vanilla level, and there won’t be any challenge left.
- It becomes almost unplayably difficult — a lot of information won’t be clear from the game itself (for example, how many mobs are actually targeting YOU in a 20-mob pull, and that you should be using defensives).
I just don’t see a middle ground.
Until now, this game has been so beautiful.
There was space for casuals, and there was space for the competitive, log-chasing players too.
Now I feel like that balance will disappear.
In the end, sales numbers and subscription counts will decide.
(Just like in Shadowlands, when five of my friends quit Retail WoW forever.)
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I most certainly do, agressive person.
I did said ‘almost’. 
No. That’s a blatant lie.
They do much more. And you know that.
I’m not going to debate this with you further, because you don’t strike me as a pleasant person.
Have a good evening.
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There are two major issues with this:
- Do I trust Blizzard, the company can’t that balance classes very well over a period of 20 years, and leaves bugs unchecked for years, to build a UI competitive with the literal millions of options addons provide?
No I don’t
- Accessibility, many people who are disabled use addons to be able to raid and otherwise play competitively, denying them the option to do so is tantamount to discrimination.
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No worries. I am sure Blizzard is better than those addon creators…some of them have even dedicated teams with years of experience.
I am sure Blizz will create the best UI which incorporate the millions of addons people use daily.
Takes off face mask - Tried inhaling this new batch of copium btw? Its some strong stuff! 
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Are you a developer? Have you ever developed addons for WoW? You strike me as someone who is not a developer. You also seem overly emotional and not able to apply logic.
Let me help you. You say addons do much more? What more are they doing?
Do you mean that they literally tell you to not stand in fire? Guess what, that is a text-based signal. There are also sound based and visual signals.
There are many people like you who are confused about this. Addons can not do anything more in combat than to signal things. Nothing else is possible, because the environment under which addons run gives no other possibilities. In fact, the environment is extremely restricted in many other ways.
And that’s more than they should be able to do. That was my whole point.
Addons should not assign group automatically. Addons should not tell you to ‘do mechanic A’. Addons should not ruins puzzle encounters by giving the answer clearly marked. Etc etc.
Because those mechanics are put into the game for a reason. You are meant to deal with them yourself or as group.
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Tah. If this conversation went about me talking about Delves that way… it would not end the same and you know it.
If you dont engage in M+ in any meaningful way (10+ or above). Or even Heroic Raids. You cannot understand why the addons are there in the first place. NONE of the addons play for you. NONE tell you what to press. And those that do, paradoxically, have been implemented by blizzard themselves ingame:
You think Hekili is cheating and should be removed? FAIR. But blizzard made its own version of it.
You think Lazy Macros is cheating and should be removed? FAIR. But blizzard made its own 1-button assist.
And you are terribly mistaken what addons like DBM actually do. They dont tell you “turn left”. Or press button “Y”. All they do is a sound. Because blizzard has this horrible habit of doing purple swirlies, in a purple room, full of purple light while you fight a purple boss the size of a city. Either way. You think DBM is cheating and should be removed? FAIR. But blizzard made its own in-game version of it anyways, sounds included.
All of this was FINE. We were applauding blizzard and encouraging them to make more things and better. Because we had options. If blizzard did not deliver (for whatever reason) we could choose something else.
But this new change of “nuking” the API? This is bad. And you would understand it if you bothered to do any M+/Raids.
None of those addons “play for you”. Blizzard’s base UI is simply not adapted. Not even for Classic WoW. Now, we are stuck with the WotlK garbage the base UI has. PERMANENTLY. So you have no idea what are the ramifications this “nuke” has done.
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Among other things, they have nuked completely the healer and tank tools. DDs can see the CD on their abilities. How much they have to wait until they can press something again. When some proc lights up, they get a flashy light in their bars. And this is since WotlK. Nothing new!
But tanks cannot see the size of their shields (like Pain Suppression). And healers cannot see who has atonement, and what is the CD left on RDruid HoT. All of that NEEDS access to the API and to do some “logic” to present it properly on the screen.
These were one of the main reasons why people do not want to heal/tank. Because you change talents from your DD UI and it all stays the same! And I have personally witnessed new healers do this. And select friendly players on the screen as if they were mobs and pressing 1234 buttons to heal them. No wonder they think it’s stressing and hard!
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Addons assign groups? Solve puzzles quest? Isn’t the topic about combat addons? You probably don’t even know what that means.
Furthermore, the game tells you to “do mechanic a” already. The addon simply tells you the same thing but in a way that you prefer. Some addons come with a preset that some other player made, so you don’t have to configure it if you don’t want to. But it still only tells you what the game is already trying to tell you.
Also, are you one of those people who never watches encounter walkthroughs on Youtube and then wipe the whole pug?
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And we all know that we will get a similar experience to customise our ui like we did with WAs…
altering classes is a funny way to say, cut 2/3 for classes
i’m so stoked to see posts in here telling blizzard to make dungeons easier because now they need to dodge stuff.
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No, I would think it’s good, even if I did that content as well.
Because of exactly the reasons I’ve been stating.
Because I believe that those are objective statements, and not based on preference.
- They undermine Blizzard’s ability to present us with a challenge that the devs want us to experience a particular way.
- They have created an arms race; leading to overcomplicated encounter designs.
- Everyone will now be on an even playing field, without the need for third party stuff.
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even your cat, or parrot training it to hit the OBR and follow the tank should allow it to play for you.
Can you stop being silly and either contribute to the discussion like a normal adult or otherwise just don’t say anything? Thanks.
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What do you mean, don’t you value all opinions, what about the even playing field and the cats why doesn’t anyone think about the cats!
you are pushing for boring content, and i will oppose it. I already wrote my feedback in multiple threads because we have to explain why it’s boring in like 3 new ones a day,
Now I’m just here for fun and engaging conversations 
You’re a hero and a champion, Tah.
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A hero to whom? My 4 year old nephew? Sry, he is interested in more difficult games such as paint within the lines.
But but. bashing a target dummy with a class build which can be played using foot pedals.
ARENT YOU ENTERTAINED!? I am supper hyped! i can actually watch some netflix while I “play wow”!
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