[PCU/Horde] Saurfang Legion 🤼‍♂

[Rakihu-argent-dawn (Rakihu)]

Hold your phone.

Quit giving Trade Prince Jastor Gallywix too little credit!!!

[Athramus-argent-dawn-257317]

@Tehya-wildhammer

absolutely and we’re thrilled to have people approach us about it IC (as long as it’s not done in a weird clown-esque manner)

Yes it’s understandable. I mean, I don’t know if I like it that much, but I see that this might be a good way to save an entire OOC community. And make it believable.

@Tehya-wildhammer

Can’t speak for every one of the guilds but HoC has been cracking down hard on anyone trying to instigate more conflict and division.

@Tyreis-argent-dawn

From what I know from both HoC and Grim Gest: Yes,

Well, I like this part. As long as the whole new dynamic isn’t done in the “corrupt officer” style of the Alliance, I believe it might work and become reason for good IC conflict and stories, but also stability for the PCU community.

[Chayan-argent-dawn]

@Redshanlu-argent-dawn

Regarding the moth like attraction of death, it was something I talked with Toq at the time and found bizarre because there were actual randomers coming along, letting themselves get killed.

Then I suppose you should find some rebel-themed guild’s thread and ask why they played their characters in a way where they had no regard for their lives / didn’t seem to understand why it would seem quite goofy / dangerous to sprint up to soldiers of an incredibly tyranical regime and begin telling them that they love saurfang / democracy / pasta sauce jars

Your complaint is really directed at them at this juncture, isn’t it?

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

many legitimate concerns are valid both IC

Agree

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

and OOC.

Not at all. I don’t even briefly care about your OOC gripes

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

It’s obviously a way to throw away a few heads to sit at the winner’s table. And I think it doesn’t take too seriously the idea that Sylvanas’ model didn’t work and possibly couldn’t work. There seems to be a genuine moment from many NPCs, but here I just notice a few meme about it. While it should be serious business. But then again, it is your RP.

I’m not really sure what this means at all but the Stygian Legion was renamed almost as a punishment / a reminder of who they serve and IC has had many of its leadership replaced, usually with members of the rebellion and with a focus on decentrailised power and serving the Horde over a specific leader. Of course, that’s just a party line and many members may or may not resent the new order but that is just a hook for interesting IC conflict between the deposed old guard, the new leadership and so on. It’s been really fun so far and has brought us many returns in terms of player responses / activity / character development

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

If the PCU is going to change banner

The PCU is an OOC community that is 100% unchanged by any lore changes. It is a discord server for like-minded roleplayers and has - for example - a growing Alliance-side presence and even Horde guilds that aren’t part of the Stygian/Saurfang Legion. I’m not sure why you believe that events happening within the body politic of the Horde should effect that

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

will this new community change its political asset and advocate for peace between factions, since they are supporting Saurfang’s view now?

The IC group this thread is about is now lead (or rather chaired by) this character who is some lawful/neutral good ex-rebel centurion who really hates tyranny and deserted the army because of what he considered dishonourable actions on Sylvanas’ part

I feel like you didn’t even read the OP I so caring wrote, dude =(

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

I don’t know if I like it that much, but I see that this might be a good way to save an entire OOC community.

Make no mistake, I’ve said it before (in this very thread, which no one seemed to disagree with) and I’ll say it again, I’m pretty sure many stygians (not PCU, important difference as pointed out above!) would have been really into a story where they basically have to flee into exile for their deeds and make the difficult choice between fighting for redemption or trying to sabotage the new regime and make way for the Banshee Queen once more.

[Tóq-argent-dawn]

@Redshanlu-argent-dawn

At least I can offer congratulations on your promotions Toq and Skabb!

Sweats in ten characters.

[Athramus-argent-dawn-257317]

@Chayan-argent-dawn

I don’t even briefly care about your OOC gripes

I am not pointing fingers at all, so let’s not play a victim role even before accusations are remotely formulated. You care enough to reply and to feel attacked by fairly reasonable concerns.
And honestly, I feel like you should care.

It is known that many people often use their OOC authority to influence IC outcome and players in general. On occasion this has become quite the issue [on Alliance for example] and I believe it’s good to clarify that the new stygians will not be playing this type of card.

This is one of the situations where a simple answer like Tehya’s provide a lot of insight.

@Chayan-argent-dawn

I feel like you didn’t even read the OP I so caring wrote, dude =(

I feel like you didn’t catch the whole double standard thing dude. I mean, let other people do the PR thing, you’re clearly not cut for it.

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

I mean, let other people do the PR thing, you’re clearly not cut for it.

I don’t imagine he’s trying to do the PR thing right now. Seems more like dismantling your posts. Kind of a thing you just gotta do when people start ing up your thread.

[Athramus-argent-dawn-257317]

Not sure what the clown face mean, but I think my question hasn’t been hostile? It was a genuine concern and I was satisfied by the first replies.

There was little to no need to take an already solved question and antagonize it.

Either way, I won’t derail the thread anymore. Good luck with your project, I’ll look forward to hear the new deeds of the stygians!

[Chayan-argent-dawn]

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

I mean, I am not pointing fingers at all, so let’s not play a victim role even before accusations are remotely formulated. You care enough to reply and to feel attacked by fairly reasonable concerns.

I reply because I like to win forum arguments and because it is a free bump

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

And honestly, I feel like you should care.

Feel away

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

It is known that many people often use their OOC authority to influence IC outcome and players in general.

OOC authority isn’t something that actually exists outside of a guild / community structure

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

On occasion this has become quite the issue [on Alliance for example] and I believe it’s good to clarify that the new stygians will not be playing this type of card.

I don’t see why there needs to be any OOC involvement in IC actions

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

I feel like you didn’t catch the whole double standard thing dude. I mean, let other people do the PR thing, you’re clearly not cut for it.

I am absolutely cut out for it because I’ve instantly reduced you to sniping (don’t get defensive!, do better PR!) instead of making any point and b. leaving the thread with your nose red / your wig colourful

[would hit you with a dab and force you to bump my thread one more time]

[Athramus-argent-dawn-257317]

You want me to reply and derail your thread for several posts in what looks like a discussion about petty things, or you just want to vent and have the last word?

Both aren’t really charming qualities for a guild leader tbh

@Chayan-argent-dawn

I like to win forum arguments

Lol good luck winning any argument with these skills

[Telaryn-argent-dawn (Telaryn)]

@Chayan-argent-dawn

OOC authority isn’t something that actually exists outside of a guild / community structure

IC authority doesn’t exist without your consent either. I don’t know how people say other players are dominating their RP like just don’t interact lmao just walk away

Other players only have as much authority as you’re willing to give them

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

Lol good luck winning any argument with these skills

he just did, compadre…

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

IC authority doesn’t exist without your consent either. I don’t know how people say other players are dominating their RP like just don’t interact lmao just walk away

aguhh stop force killing me!!

[Athramus-argent-dawn-257317]

@Tehya-wildhammer

he just did, compadre…

There can hardly be a challenge if one of the two parties hasn’t accepted it in the first place (yet).

[Tehya-wildhammer]

rlly strange then how you keep digging @ it + sniping + replying ad nauseum

[Athramus-argent-dawn-257317]

How ironic when said by the same people replying to me, huh

[Chayan-argent-dawn]

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

You want me to reply and derail your thread for several posts in what looks like a discussion about petty things, or you just want to vent and have the last word?

Either, it truly doesn’t matter

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

Lol good luck winning any argument with these skills

t. I’m not owned I’m not owned

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

IC authority doesn’t exist without your consent either. I don’t know how people say other players are dominating their RP like just don’t interact lmao just walk away

Other players only have as much authority as you’re willing to give them

Exactly, I just mean that I can’t actually ban people from this server with my secret OOC powers (if only …)

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

There can hardly be a challenge if one of the two parties hasn’t accepted it in the first place (yet).

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

How ironic said by the same people replying to me, huh

You work for me now

Keep it bumped, janny

[Dudflex-argent-dawn (Dudflex)]

@Tehya-wildhammer

aguhh stop force killing me!!

Damn, Jedi are really starting to get OP force abilities.

[Bury-argent-dawn]

I agree with Perroy.

[Athramus-argent-dawn-257317]

@Chayan-argent-dawn

Either, it truly doesn’t matter

Ok
Then let me tell you why IC and OOc compenetrate with one another.

Short answer: you can’t think the former without the latter and vice-versa.

By that I mean that IC makes sense only as long as OOC sets motivations and the framework upon which the role-play takes place. Without these implicit agreements (that are multiple and of several shapes and forms) you can have no RP at all. But at the same time, within said framework, only IC will enhance the OOC experience.

IC concerns about community and intents are important to understand on a OOC basis too. “Are the characters going to be truthful to their new philosophy, or are they just masking something?”

Clearly that is not something you reply to with IC-only context.
If you said “yes” or “no”, that choice would tell me something about the players too (=their approach to RP and their idea of RP being a collaborative effort, where both parties should end up satisfied or just one?)

Edit.

@Chayan-argent-dawn

t. I’m not owned I’m not owned

By the way, this highschool replies/strawman are not only weak from an argumentative pov, but usually testify the impotence of the user in the actual debate.

You’re not concerned about what is being discussed, only about looking good.

[Bury-argent-dawn]

Shut up zoomer