How about people don’t get offended by just about everything.
And if no-one’s offending them, they’ll deem something new offensive.
Nobody’s arguing that calling someone an R-tard is rude, it’s when people go “it’s a gingerbread person” and the like that sh*t gets dumb, and where we are now.
Got some straw in your mouth there.
Below the age of consent, gender dysphoria is indeed handled with the parents’ engagement and the youth/child’s wellbeing at the center, same as the treatment of any other social/developmental/psychological ills at that age.
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I personally think its better to think about other people rather than wish everyone wasnt offended.
You know, treat everyone with some kind of civility?
It never dies
It’s literally in the name
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You do realise that the Court is R-controlled now, yes? Alabama intentionally made their bill extreme to escalate it to the SCourt. They want their laws made federal.
American liberalism REALLY is not left wing. The Democrats are a right-wing conservative party with a progressive hat on.
Gender dysphoria shouldn’t be handled at all at that age, just tell them “wait a couple of years and see if you’ve changed your mind or not”, they barely know the topic they’re talking about.
Just to pop in to say something about the transgender debate since that’s popping up and people generally tend to forget this.
Biological gender and gender roles are generally separate things despite what statistics may imply.
And how! Racing towards doom like a chunky child to an icecream truck.
Well that’s because no one is ever clear about what they mean.
Biological gender isn’t a thing.
Biological sex is a thing, and it has three states.
Gender on the other hand is a social construct that in some cases acknowledges biology.
Tsk. Tsk. Typical “this is not the true left” stance.
I guess it depends on your system of reference. Unless you give me the eidos of the political left in such a way that excludes the candidates you don’t like and actually makes a compelling case, I remain unconvinced.
Reports from transgender people indicate they are aware of the disphoria from an extremely young age - not in the ‘playing dress up’ sense, either, but the conviction that they are indeed the gender they identify as. They are assessed by medical professionals and only given treatment once it is clear that transitioning is the right way to handle it - normally therapy and performative treatment alongside puberty blockers are used until things are set.
Doctors know the subject a lot better than you do.
Reports from personal experience indicate that kids’ head can be filled with stupidity.
Take that stupidity now and take some dumb parent who reinforces it to help their “progressive” campaign.
Time is your most important resource, even moreso than money. Anybody demanding your time outside of the work can go beat it, tbh.
I think it’s a logical fallacy to compare the choice/law regarding abortion vs an entire culture habiting most of the middle east/northern africa/some parts of asia.
I used to be for example super pro regarding abortion until I started came to this age where if I had to make that choice or worse, somebody would do that choice without consulting me about it, I’d feel really horrible about it.
Abortion’s murder, plain and simple. There’s no nicer way of putting it- Regardless of whether you choose the time from conception, or any arbitrary number you add after it.
Now, that doesn’t mean that I am fanatic enough to think that abortion should be illegal- It shouldn’t be. Plenty of cases like the mother’s health, the child’s severe disability/illness right from birth, or rape all seem like completely reasonable things to have abortion as an option.
Now where it gets dodgy is where you draw the line after that. What if the parents used no protection? What if they used it, but it happened either way? What kind of burden of proof do you demand? How many abortions are you allowed?
It’s really a complex and a hard question to answer, even if you are fairly pragmatic and agnostic like myself, so I don’t even lean onto religion that heavily- Though I understand it.
So many questions need to be answered: Ok so the woman/couple is forced to have the baby. Will it be adopted? Are they forced to take care of it? What kind of systems exist to help the parents? And much, much more.
I really am not sure where I’d draw the line myself, past the obvious cases I mentioned earlier- And it really is a decision that belongs to all of us, since it always takes both sexes to conceive a baby, and fundamentally we’re always weighing the needs of the woman over the needs of the baby. It’s not easy.
I want at least 2. Maybe 3.
We’re living the best time in the history of the world (for humans), and yet we are pessimistic about having children or even worse, telling people not to get kids.
That’s a big ??? if you ask me
Economy & free markets will solve the overpopulation crisis on the long term, as well as the climate warming problem. Antibiotics will be supplemented by virus & nanomachine treatments and we’re legitimately very close to actually overcoming aging perhaps within the next 100 years or so.
I agree, I think the examples Ashiraya gave are quite problematic- And they need to be addressed.
But as always, that’s an extreme from one side.
If we flip the coin upside down, we get other instances such as people changing their opinion whether something was consensual or not post copulation/after having been drunk (by their own choice), or what kind of jurisdictional rules should there be actually?
And it really isn’t as simple as “Just as long as it’s two consenting adults…”, because, the other party might decide tomorrow, a week later, or at some other point in time that the experience wasn’t in fact consensual- Sometimes even for malicious purposes or for their own benefit.
The casualization of sex (even when there’s nothing casual about it) is in my view the problem- And during the fifty-sixty odd years or so during which we’ve had sufficient birth control methods and liberalization of intercourse, we still haven’t figured out the rules.
On one hand you’re encouraged to be liberal and free and proud of your sexuality but on the second hand you shouldn’t go rubbing it (heh) to other people’s faces. On one hand casual sex is fine but you shouldn’t go breaking hearts/using others.
Like, where the hell do you draw the line?
I mean, you say that, but we’ve had literally people telling since the start of the 20th century that x type of socialism isn’t socialism and if we tried socialism for REALS this time, it’d all be great.
Just like the alt-right (or those groups/people that are simply right leaning) are asked to clarify their stance on whether they are with those at the far end of the pendulum, I think the same applies to anything else- Including socialism or feminism.
The responsibility is upon the actor themselves as well as the society to branch out the different variations, so people can make clear distinctions between them.
If this was the case, it would be easily found out by the doctors and proffesional therapists.
Please name one actual human who has forced someone to transition irreversibly against their will.
Ah Doctors such as John Money right?
I mean I am no Doctor, but if a vast amount of people are killing themselves after transisitioning then maybe, maybe the treatment isn’t all there yet?
John Money?
To David Reimer if I recall right.