there’s ur answer
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I guess I’m just incapable of constantly keeping track of third party app things. In my ideal loony utopia we could use the chat software for friendly communications but manage community and guild things ingame as the function was intended.
Well, you’ll never see direct linking to the spiciest of memes ingame, I guess or people would fill trade chat with things that’d net WoW yet another “has it gone too far?!” article in this or that franchise magazine.
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Blaming the tools is pointless… People just have changed and became toxic.
More or less yeah.
The things I alone link and have banter with my friends with would be enough for Blizzard to send me into gulag twelve times over.
People haven’t changed. People have always been the way they are.
That just makes it even worse!
Yes and no. I’m sure that internet culture kinda does have a weird negative influence of people who think they can do whatever they want whenever they want and suffer no consequence.
However you are right in saying that people have always been the way they are… It’s just more visible in this day and age.
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New tools enable people to show more of who they are, quickly and efficiently.
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We live in a society
Back in my day we showed our distaste at people by adding them to MSN group convos and spamming nudge or emoticons.
People have been vile on the internet for as long as I can remember. I distinctly remember being in an IRC chat channel for a webcomic I liked and wanted to just talk about it with other people, when I was told that I should have been aborted by a coat hanger. I was about 10-12 years old at the time so yeah that was pretty rancid.
However, Discord has been an influence here. People forget just how clunky it was to make a Skype group, let alone manage one. So while Skype clique’s existed they were more difficult to form and maintain.
You had to add someone as a friend, then manually add them to the chat channel. And if you wanted separate channels, you had to make whole new groups and re-invite every sodding person. Skype was cumbersome and also pretty crappy if you wanted to use it for voice, a big reason why most used Vent, TS or Mumble but those required you to actually get a server. A real one. A big obstacle for most people who would often share a server with other guilds, which had it’s own issues. Plus joining such a server was more difficult than just clicking a button. Even if only a small obstacle, it’s still an obstacle.
Enter Discord: Now you can freely invite as many people as you like through a single link, you can manage permissions, added channels, have your own guild “server” that can be invite only if you wanted, you have your own voice channels with quality that blow in-game voice and Skype out of the water, and you don’t need to set up or rent a voice server.
So we go from a cumbersome and very limited communication platform to one that is significantly more robust and far easier to use than any more advanced programs like Vent. End result: Everybody just piles into one of dozens of server Discords then never has any reason to come out.
And as others mentioned it’s very common for people to be super polite on the forum but then on Discord, where the Blizzard TOS doesn’t apply, they rag on and belittle people as much as they want, safe from any sort of reprisal from Blizzard or even a response from the player they’ve chosen to throw mud at. I’ve seen it quite a bit not just in WoW but in other games and communities as well. XIV and a few other online games have similar things happening.
Sure the “victim” usually doesn’t see it, but sometimes they do since they’re in the same server, then it gets awkward as hell, and before you know it either one of them is kicked from the server (Usually whoever is better friends with the admin, in my experience that tends to be the attacker rather than the defender) after a text fight breaks out.
Even if the victim remains totally oblivious it causes an increasingly toxic environment in the server, and in some cases pushes others to dogpile onto the poor sod on the forums.
If one guy says “lol get a load of this scrub” with a link directly to the post, that post will suddenly get about a dozen or more replies in rapid succession as other people join in on dismantling whatever the ‘target’ has said. Even if not explicitly stated, it’s usually an indication of “Brigade this person’s post for me”, whether or not the original poster of the link intended it.
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But Does The Society Live In us?
Going by some basic sociology, yes and memeing through it is still participation.
I Look Into The Society And The Society Stares Back
And then john was a zombie.
Big doubt
People (myself included) are constantly testing the waters with Blizzard to see what kind of language they can get away with, even in here. Sometimes they even say something that they know will get them banned but they do it anyways for the bants/fun of it.
Is it malicious? Maybe. Is it toxic? Maybe. But it’s free and a lot of people seem to enjoy it- Else, things like public discord servers wouldn’t be as popular as they are.
I’m perfectly aware that sometimes even I contribute to this problem with the inflammatory personality I occasionally have over the internet, but I wouldn’t change anything about it- Because that trait also happens to be one of the reasons people like me.
There’s also the situation where plain assertiveness can seem like toxic/distasteful behaviour to a person simply because they’re shy/not used to it.
Hell, there’s a chance somebody will jump on this very message and call me out for the terrible person that I supposedly am- There’s plenty of material online to use for that.
To which I can give the best advice that has carried me throughout the years. You can’t please everyone. No point worrying yourself over some faceless avatars over the internet who’ll never have any impact on your life.
big if true
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I remember when I was kicked from the spectral watch guild because using the word “gei” triggered someone. Instead of talking to me in a 1 on 1 conversation the leader decided it’s a great idea to tell me that in the public chat. I told her no which led to my kick.
I also remember being told “you will get kicked if you don’t keep to our blacklist” (which contained of like 10+ names or something) and the leader didn’t keep herself to it.
Good times.
I call people out on their bull, no matter the consequences. If you don’t want to be called out then don’t do bs.
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This topic is grim and makes me feel old and I’m only 23.
My final say in it being that… It’s frankly best to adopt a live and let live attitude. As much as I have criticism of others, I don’t frankly feel like going to tell them myself. It’s a pointless endeavor and creates nothing but unecessary conflict especially if at the end of the day you people don’t interact at all.
Sure I’m human… It’s in my nature to be an A-hole every now and then and talk ill about people behind their backs, but as long as I am civil and don’t seed discord (see what I did there heh.) among people in a group setting.
If you have a problem with someone, for the love of god, talk it out… You have no idea how much arguments and problems are avoided when you just talk it out, comprimise and swallow you ego. Don’t breed uneeded resentment okay?
Also, just know how and with whom you want to surround yourself with. Avoid excessive negativity and the same goes for excessive positivity, try to find a good balance of opinions. My list of online friends is short but I’ve known some of them for over 4 years and I wouldn’t trade them for anything.
Finally, remember to have fun.
Just because it’s the path of least resistance doesn’t actually mean it’s the best method.
Live and let live is a rlly steadfast method to pave the way for a steady vertical drop in quality.
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Live and let live has never been an absolute, otherwise we’d never have had world wars or any form of conflict throughout history.
It’s the least path of resistance yes… And one that makes sense in online setting. Do you really think that spending the next 25mins arguing in circles is productive? Because I sure prefer to choose my fights over getting into any random one.
Some will do it out of their desire to educated others, some out of their sheer ego, others simply because they like “owning” you… There are far better hills to die on IMO and in my case it’s on the topic of principles… I’ll hardly give more than 10mins of my time for… Idk which expansion was the best in Wow because all is subjective.
I’ve been grinding Garo titles in FF14 so I was finally curious enough to look up the show.
The more i look at it, the more peeved i get at WAR being shafted. Both WAR and DRK have the same set, it is based on the set the villain wore.
Its ugly in game and as much as i hate to say it (because i prefer DRK to WAR), DRK should have it and they should’ve given WAR something else. Simply because the villain’s title is “Dark Knight” which is what DRK is the abbreviation of
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