Pet peeves: The return (Part 5)

Apparantly disney originally wanted a different writer and director for each movie it was only after the force awakens that they approached Abrams and askee him to do all three. He declined to do the sequel as he only wanted to do the start and finish.

Abrams also had quite a spite over Jonssons direction, which is why RoS is as it is. He refused to pick up any lingering story hooks that werent his own and even didnt use the characters.

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I haven’t actually watched the sequels yet outside of a few scenes on youtube. I’m still seething+coping about the EU being made non-canon.

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Pettiness and ego aside, this is primarily on the heads of execs. I wish suits would keep their oars out the way, and let creatives actually make GOOD things…

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I also have this for everyone’s benefit

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Andor is some of the best Star Wars I have ever experienced as a Star Wars nerd, its the perfect continuation of the vibe of the Rebels that George Lucas created in the Original Trilogy, as well as the blatant but also so-fascist-that-its-boring aesthetic for the Empire. Absolute chef’s kiss of a show.

Ahsoka has also been pretty good thus far, wish the episodes were more like an hour long however, I don’t like how much the times for each one vary.

Daisy Ridley got dealt a terrible hand with the Sequel trilogy and its entire writing department, alongside pretty much every other actor; I’m still spiteful and seething over TLJ randomly turning Luke into another “failed to see the errors of the Jedi” after his entire arc of seeing the failures of the Jedi.

KOTOR is great but sadly had the disastrous consequence of creating Kreia and the ten hour video essays about her and we’re all still suffering because of it.

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I feel so bad for the actual cast of the sequel trilogy. They’re all good actors! They did nothing wrong! You can SEE in interviews at the end the pained expressions of “Yes, we know this is bad and we aren’t happy either”, and yet the absolute disgrace that is ‘fans’ attacking them.
Bunch of absolute neckbeards who need to go outside and touch grass…

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I was just sort of skimming through and without context

is way funnier.

Youtube and its consequences…

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https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/731/663/d8f.jpg

a good few years old at this point, but has stuck in my mind.

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I mean, it’s not like there were many.

TLJ was the bleakest of the Star Wars theatrical movies in that it left the protagonists not only in tatters, but without a goal to follow.

Empire Strikes Back, despite all the hardships the Rebellion went through, still ended on a hopeful note: the protagonists regrouped with the Rebel fleet and were going to rescue Han. And indeed, the next movie began with them rescuing Han. By contrast, TLJ left no sequel hook for the next movie to follow, no hint at how the Resistance could bounce back. What was the next writer supposed to work with, that kid who levitated the broom with the Force?

And that “only the writer can save the Resistance now” problem was a consequence of an offscreen retcon that TLJ itself created. Part of the premise of TFA was that the First Order was a small imperial remnant working from a distant corner of the galaxy. It was not the most original premise, but it was still a background detail that framed the story. Then somehow, in like five seconds that passed in-universe between TFA and TLJ, the First Order apparently managed to conquer the entire New Republic offscreen after the protagonists had destroyed its ace in the hole.

People spend so much time dissecting the sequel trilogy and nitpicking the details because the story doesn’t even work in broad strokes, and it’s easier to make arguments about how X isn’t a legitimate Force power, or Y is a stupid military tactic, than to make arguments about tone, themes, or story flow.

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I guess in their eyes, they “sold their souls” for money to be in those movies…
But yeah, the actors were good
The sequels were horrible, considering we had either the Dark Empire arc that actually explained why and how Palpatine returned or the Heirs to the Empire trilogy…
For literal decades they stood the test of time and fans loved it, fanatically
I don’t know how on earth they came to the conclusion to throw it out and make something totally different
It is like with the Percy Jackson movies, the books are awesome, the movies? Yikes.
You could say that in both cases the screenwriter’s fatal flaw was hubris. They belived they could do soemthing better than they already had and failed miserbaly

Star Wars has always been very volatile like that. The kid who played young Anakin got bullied mercilessly by fans to developing drug addiction and quit acting. Portman has recited times where she got angry messages for being essentially a “fake star wars girl” for wearing merch or making appearances as some people didn’t realise she was Padme.

This is very true.

I do/did like the idea that Rey’s parents weren’t special and the Force is like that, it can manifest in anyone. But Jonson also did alot of really bad stuff. Captain Phasma was so much wasted potential, and there are many more examples+what you wrote!

I would have loved to see the EU worked in here by showcasing other Imperial Warlords and remnants fighting eachother for control.

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They seemed to have taken away the wrong thing from the title cards from the other movies. While they usually helped portray and update on timeskips, they didn’t gloss over entire wars. Episoede 3 doesn’t open with “The clone wars are over.”

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Why the Sequels didn’t just focus on the remaining Imperial Remnants + Thrawn banding together to try and rebuild and then have the 3rd movie be the clash I will never honestly know. Snoke + The First Order + The Knights of Ren was all so deeply convoluted and didn’t even have a core, it was all just there to look like it was a deeply-woven storybeat.

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I mean, the goal was that she rebuild the Jedi better than they were before and work to turn Kylo Ren to not be evil anymore. Luke’s line of “No one’s ever really gone” was pretty explicit on that.

They weren’t in a great position but to say they didn’t set up a goal is like…wrong, just straight up wrong.

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On that note, Thrawn is set to appear in Ashoka for his first real-life action appearance.

I need them to play the organ before we hear or see him, just give me 4 whole minutes of his organ theme building up.

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Oh god, please yes :heart:

yesyesyesyes x1000

Peeve: for how much ore you require for a single ingot, Dark Iron Ore is a real pain to farm.

Another argument to be made for a world overhaul and streamline, tbqh. It’s not 2004 anymore :sweat_smile:

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Better run Molten Core and Blackrock Depths a thousand times for it! : D

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