If I see no score I presume no experience.
I would never do m+ without Raider IO. SO Beat it
Just get good, it will be better for the game in a long term.
While I think raider io is stupid, because people buy boosts nowadays anyway,
banning it wouldnât remove the âproblemâ youâre referring to.
Without raider io theyâd just look up your character on the Armory to see what youâve done and if that was impossible theyâd ask you to link achievements failing that theyâd only bring people who are overgeared to compensate for bad players.
So if you want raider io removed you better ask Blizz to dismantle the Armory, Achievement system and item level as well. Otherwise youâre not changing anything.
But I donât have a horse in this race anyway. I never do m+ with randoms on any of my characters, I do it with guildies/friends or not at all. Because thereâs too many toxic people in this game to bother doing difficult content with randoms.
So whether rio exists or not, meh.
Gearscore and raiderio are the answer to a problem started from back in wotlk. x-realm dungeons and later on raids and ridiculous easy ways to obtain very high gear. that lead to people trying to do content they were never meant be in and raiderio gives you now at least a chance to fish for some decent people. otherwise you have no chance to decide.
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I disagree that it should be removed but i do acknowledge that itâs a flawed system. In the world of titanforges and chests giving loot above your current capacity once a week, there are many players who are not as good as their gear might have you believe. Vice versa there are always a number of player who have rerolled or are alts who are way better their present gear reflects.
Thing is there is no way to fix this. You cant stop boosts, since thats a slippery slope to not being able to group with anyone outside your skill tier, so both gear and achievements are out.
They tried the dps/tank/healer trials systems but apparently most people cant be bothered to do anything above the minimum so that didnt help either.
Ultimately the game is designed to be playes in a guild, so you should have people you can interact with who are approximately your skill level. It sucks for anyone living the pug life but when you play against the way intended there will inevitably be problems you are faced with.
Dont feel like it should be removed, it just need major changes & the community need to care more about the current dungeon you are queing for rather than the score
You telling me i am not qualified for your +10 motherlode when iâve done a +13 in time just because my score is 963 on that character?
Iâm not a fan of Blizz making the API available to third parties- but thatâs a different issue to folk using the data
I play WoW for fun - it is completely unnecessary for me to run Mythic dungeons at any key - or raid content - to enjoy WoW as a relaxation and release
Folk playing higher M+++ are choosing to step into a competitive environment - so I think they are entitled to use whatever measuring device is available to them when forming a group
I think Blizz should talk to the community to understand what they need and create a tool in-house - but in its absence RIO is the players choice
I really donât understand the tensions it manages to cause though - because anybody can push their own key by creating a group and making it clear what they are doing
I have done so a couple of times just to see what it was all about and hated it - it was way outside of my enjoyment zone into the realm of hard work - but then Iâm an old man using a mouse in one hand and holding a rum in the other
To complain that RIO should be removed because it makes it hard for casuals to progress is a self defeating argument
A system like RIO makes it necessary for a casual to work at progression and improve their skills to get instant acceptance into the competitive side of WoW
No pls just dont remove RAIDERio , that addon saved my keys many times i canât imagine play this game in PUG wihtout knowing what people score are and what keys they did if you have problem with that just be better at this game .
Find Guild find some people who are interested playin m+ 
You telling me i am not qualified for your +10 motherlode when iâve done a +13 in time just because my score is 963 on that character?
Maybe that person just donât need another warrior maybe that person already have a warrior tank in group so he dont need your buffâŚmaybe he wants a mage with timewarp or some imunity class think about that like this people who create their own KEYS choose what they want in group they will not pick 1 random person just because you have +13 done in time
to which game ?
if you mean FF 14 which gained like 1 mln ex-wow players ? sure its amazing change
for WoW which lost 5-9 mln ? sure⌠amazing change indeed. âŚ
Why stop there? If it were up to me ALL addons would be banned from the game.
The nuclear option is the only way to safeguard against antisocial addons being developed in the future.
What the community needs is people choosing their own difficulty and joining it and getting proper gear for said difficulty.
Someone spamming world quests and low m+ and getting 430 then queueing for a +10 and doing less dps than the tank then complaining why people are excluding them is the main reason why people put things like gearscore, raider io and oqueue.
If your gear is not indicative of your skill, and if you are not skilled enough for a +10 yet you apply for it, then the problem is you and blizzard for giving you gear that is probably good enough for +15 and even more often probably without you deserving said gear.
People not wanting measurement tools like ilvl and rio and then want to join are the problem.
Often these posts talk about community, the social aspect and so on which is partially true, however they forget 1 tiny little bit and VERY important detail, people that arenât good enough for a +10 will ALWAYS queue for a +10, they will join, they will perform bad and expect others to carry them or else they are toxic.
Progress has been nullified for the sake of QoL improvements, because everyone enjoys always getting gear, blizzard decided to give everyone a fake progress path just by doing little things you still are getting epics, you can go and make loh go then randomly get your BiS item that could probably last you the whole season, I had an item last me until the very end of the expansion even though I got it early in the expansion back in legion, the problem has only been magnified in BFA.
No one wants to do +2, +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9, there are so little queues for them itâs laughable, why? because you can always get better gear elsewhere for no effort, and then you can roflstomp +10 or just " suffer a +10 each week " until you are geared enough.
All my alts skipped +3 +4 + 5 +6 +7, I spammed m0, then some m2 then I went straight to +8s and the 10s on my alts, Iâve been playing the game for 15 years so I know what Iâm doing, but when others get to do such skips, perhaps not as fast as me they will be clueless about the dungeons, about the mob skills, about boss abilities and strategies.
Just a couple days ago we had a healer at +12 fh not knowing that you have to get a drink from the vulpera in order to get one of the bosses to betray their friends.
In a perfect situation that healer shouldâve done the dungeon 12 times to reach this level atleast, but they didnât and so they have no understanding of the dungeon, and funnily enough said healer was performing bad, and the party complained about their healing which was met with a " itâs necrotic and bursting week " even though they had 15k hps overall and often healed themselves more than others.
I still see many ranged players including healers staying in range of freeholdâs first bossâs pistol shot.
The issue isnât with rio or ilvl, the issue is with people of different skillsets being forcefully mixed, people not wanting to progress and just want to skip to the end and play.
Itâs like buying a game and wanting to play it at NG+ or at max level straight away, while itâs up to you to do that in solo games, in team games you will be a liability even if you donât feel like you are, and people are bound to get annoyed.
It is just a game, and because people want to have fun they will exclude others that donât put as much effort as them.
No one will pick an idle player that barely runs to play soccer with them.
You didnât read my whole post then?
^^ rolls eyes
I play all tank classes except paladin ( Cant be arsed leveling ) and this happens no matter mah class, although it happens mostly on druid which makes sense, but still
I did, it was quite a nice post but this particular part drew my attention and I decided to answer to it
You can continue playing with rum in your hand my friend and anyone that tells you that isnât the way you do it is wrong 
Donât be dishonest in your assumptions.
Yes, wow lost subs, its old and it has a lot of problems. rio isnât one of them. Itâs only a problem for entitled baddies and people who lack the social graces to form groups. I mean, if I can manage it, it should be a cinch right!
wow pserver scene is probably bigger than ff14 xd
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Youâre not even level 120 yet so mythic+ isnât for you, calm down buddy.
Hah, when I was doing a run in KR on my mage, there was another mage in the group who was like 20 ilvls higher than me but he pulled less dps than me. âMage, how you do so much damage?ââŚ