Please DON'T release Cataclysm ,,Classic". Cataclysm it's not a Classic expansion, Cataclysm is a Hybrid expansion!

I still consider the very idea of Cataclysm Classic ludicrous merely on the ground that any one of us could already experience Cataclysm, more-or-less as it was simply by visiting Chromie in Retail - there you have it, all the stuff added in the expansion at your fingertips, job done. There’s your Cataclysm.

People could argue that classes were different and justifty Cataclysm on that basis alone but is it worth shattering the old world, changing the fundamental nature of the original game, and potentially alienating a huge chunk of the player base simply so as to allow some people to play with a truncated talent tree, rather than the Diablo III-style pick and mix talent system of modern retail?

Makes no sense to me, not that I’m biased or anything.

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With their rework of the zones in Azeroth, it’s not a classic anymore!

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Yes, Indeed.

Releasing Cata again makes it just poor version of retail version.

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You are right.

We don’t care, stay on your Classic ERA and/or ask for Wotlk ERA too.

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I mean, you could just not play it?

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Time for it => Azuremyst - UE4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOOJZFBH-Hw

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The people who would have stayed on WotLK ERA, by and large, won’t follow the rest of the community on Cata “Classic”.

People have to stop to think that we need 30k players on a serv.
5k is enough.

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Well done, that’s the first bit of sense you’ve ever made on this board. Whilst WoTLK’s gameplay is virtually no different from Cata, the destruction of the old world is what separated Classic from modern.

Which is why I’m for having Cataclysm remade in a Classic style; instead of just copying Cataclysm as a whole. #majorchanges.

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Alright, fair enough.

I assure you I have no such pre-conveived perceptions. The written word can be interpretered in many different ways, I give you that, but it does seem a tendency that you argue with people. That is (partly) your choice though so I won’t delve further into that argument.

Disagree somewhat. I’ve seen you ‘bash’ a person for just using endgame activities as an argument, but of course you have your own reasons for disliking x or y ingame/community aspect.

But hey I understand you a bit better now. I won’t call you out again :wink:

‘Cataclysm Classic’ is an oxymoron.

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Like Wotlk Classic.

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Thanks for your response.

I’d like to defend myself a little more on this point.

So, let me be as absolutely clear as humanly possible here.

If a poster, let’s call him LeetdkQT makes a post called: “Why I love end game but hate levelling”, and outlines his feelings on why levelling sucks, but raiding rocks, then yeah I guess I might write something sardonic in response - something like: “Sheesh what is it with you people focussing entirely on a tiny fraction of the game… blah blah blah…

I’m probably wrong to do this because, as you say, everyone has their preferences, and who am I do disagree with someone’s personal preference? But I suspect you’re also correct when I say I just love arguing with people. It’s in my blood, and I guess it stems from my former career as a criminal barrister. Arguing with people in court was literally my job! It’s also where I learned my ‘used every dirty trick in the book’ methodology. Some things run deep and become deeply ingrained.

I’m obsessed with digging deep into people’s personal motives, testing their expectations, testing their commitment and beliefs… etc.

But…
If the same poster wrote a post called: “Plz allow me to boost every char to 80 and boost XP rates” then this automatically puts me into defence/combat-mode.

This is because 1) I’m passionate about this game and 2) Views like this run counter to my core beliefs about the nature of RPGs, the whole ethos of ‘journey before destination’. It’s ground into me at absolute bedrock level, so when I see people doing their best to undermine what I regard as a sacrosanct part of the WoW experience I get very worried that this kind of mindset will ultimately spread, and that the devs will actually listen, and grant these people what they want.

Consequently I hammer away at these people, attacking their every point.

You’ll hopefully notice that I never use personal attacks though, I always try to attack only their position, never the people. Obviously I’ll slip up from time to time, I’m only human, but there it is.

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Yeah, with limited focus on the ‘oxy’.

I will say that if, in some remote alternate universe, Blizzard decided to make a ‘Cataclysm Classic Version’ with the same full talent trees as WotLK, no Shattering, all old world quests and zones fully intact, kept the XP rate roughly akin to WotLK’s rates and simply added the new zones, dungeons, raids, BGs, professions, Transmog, Void Storage etc. leaving everything else untouched.

Then I’d think seriously about continuing my WoW journey.

I seriously doubt that they’ll ever consider this though. It’s a very remote possibility as it would require a tonne of extra work from the people I refer to as Bobby’s B Team’.

Easiest option for them is simply to release Cataclysm roughly as it was, but probably with no LFR and LFD, make a few class tweaks here and there and call it: #some changes ™.

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Yikes, remind me to steer clear in the future :rofl:

Thanks for a bit more insight in how/why you post the way you do, that’s rare these days, and even more rare on these forums.

And yes I agree with the part about sacred part of the game. You absolutely can’t have endgame without the leveling aspect, else WoW would be MOBA, which I also dislike.

Like I said before, now that I understand you better and see that you admit to be a little brash sometimes I won’t call you out for it anymore.

Have a good one!

Fair enough, and thank you.

At this point, since DF Retail is a shtty expansion and will likely go down faster than Shadowlands, I say : Bring on Cataclysm Classic. What can go wrong?

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If it’s the talent Cataclysm + Wotlk ok.
If it’s just the same talents from Wotlk it’s ****.

Chromie is the solution.

What the hell, not.

Don’t, ask for Wotlk ERA or stay on Classic ERA.
Cataclysm should be reworked but not on what you said.

Well, yeah, stay on Wotlk please.

This community just have the goal to ruin every expansion and appropriate it for themself or what ??
Can’t you stay on the expansion you like the most and stop appropriate every expansion like an hypocrite ?

Don’t you understand that the main goal is providing every expansion for every community ?

God this community is so execrable

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