Thats wrong.
Most players dont care about the loot system.
And before you come with: ‘‘But so many posts here’’ It was literally the same when PL was a thing.
WoW started with GL did well for many years, till they tossed it. Many other games have grouploot and it works there without problems too. Now we have it back and I am happy for that
People may not care about the system in general, but they aren’t blind. And if they come from “I’m guaranteed to get something, probably useful” to “I’m not guaranteed to have anything and there’s no bad luck protection to it”, they notice it and want to get back to what they had in the past.
Delusion or memory issues + confirmation bias
‘‘It doesnt fit my headcanon and my idea of the game so I decide to not remember that people were extremely unhappy with personal loot due to the obv issues’’’
-Firecrotch 2024:
Did everyone forget the pre dragonflight live streams where asmongold literally spoke in favor of the loot system we have now. And Ion going ‘‘Yeah personally I would like Old loot system to come back’’ Or something along those lines…
On stream… With asmon… And woopdie doo here we are.
Oh because there is a big difference between getting nothing and getting garbage that you cant use or trade… because 90% of the stuff you get by PL is useless stuff.
You people act like they removed loot, but as far as I know nothing in terms of drops changed. So yes, people still get loot.
Dont act entitled thinking you deserve the loot more than others rolling on it.
Because GL is the superior system for an MMORPG.
Exprain Saikyoo… GL is better than the personal loot we had before? I am all fine if thats your opinion… but id love to hear why that is.
Pretty easy.
It allows you to roll on the loot you actual need.
YOU dont get garbage → someonelse can have it.
Seeing things drop and than rolling for it not only feels exciting but is also a traditional way of distributing loot in most RPGs
Even more important:
The points that are made why GL is bad, are for now not only selfish but mostly stupid.
The fact that people cry that others roll on the loot is so damn stupid. THEY WERE KILLING THE BOSS AS MUCH AS YOU, they can roll on it for whatever reason they want.
Personal loot was just worse.
Now I see threads about people getting kicked out before bosses die tho… To give wanted players loot over others…
Not very good for the over all ‘‘I want to try raiding’’ spirit is it… New raiders should have to worry about this stepping into end game?
I dont think that people being buttholes is an good argument against GL.
It also can be fixed by just removing the ability to kick people while in bossfight.
If a good system gets exploited by stupid mechanics you remove the exploit not the working system.
Well that ain’t apperently happening so… But yes… Yes your completely right.
group loot is best and while there is a bell curve of overly lucky and unlucky players - I just don’t buy into “played since week 1 won 0 rolls” - it’s just statistically unreal.
I raided with 5 chars - won plenty of items, including greed rolls and mog rolls. Skill issue.
Whatever they do, its unlikely that it makes people quit.
I personally would just like to see in-combat kicks go away.
I am annoyed by the fact that i can’t trade a useless item for me to someone who needs it because my item in that slot is lower in item level than the one that dropped.
Personal loot gave everyone loot based on their class and spec. Guaranteed two pieces every raid
When I said youre delusional and seek confirmation bias,this is what I meant
When a season starts ,every piece of loot is an upgrade therefore personal loot is the BEST to gear up
Later on in a season,when all you need is a trinket or a ring,any loot system is a lottery and very unlikely to offer you that piece
Can you counter any of these arguments? You cant,because its the truth.
Yes, you got save loot, but loot is not allways worth getting.
No, its not…
not only have you multiple loot sources which make it quite fast to have atleast comparable gear, you also often have the problem of secondary stats.
And yes, there are still specs that want to avoid certain stats as much as possible, in the past where PL was a thing there were even more specs, that had a great difference in sec stats. And this goes to a point were the increased mainstat is not worth taking.
For example, Ele atm needs to avoid crit, because its not worth anything. If ele goes electric builds in M+ it avoids Mastery as it is worthless.
Before bleeds and poisons scaled with haste ferals and rogues avoided haste on all costs.
just to give you a few examples
And again: you gear so fast that you come to the point of: ‘’ I need X ‘’ extremely quickly.
Seems more fitting to you.
A lot of mambo jambo , do better
Why should I? You dont even have arguments for PL that are not selfcentered BS. And you cant even debunk my arguments.
You are just saying: Mimi mi I want PL and you are wrong.
But I am done discussing with someone which only point is: ‘‘I got 2 loot each week’’
Personal loot was the best,it got removed because of twitch streamers who couldnt manipulate their loot income
Raid leaders who couldn’t control the loot and withhold it from trials anymore. And people who claimed that they’ve never gotten one single piece of loot despite wearing 5 items from bosses in week 3 after raid opening.
PL wasn’t a problem for the majority of players, but GL seems to be. Especially when paired with the new crossrealm trading where everyone and their mothers roll on loot to try and sell it.
Give me a break please,group loot is litetally cancer for most people ,is enough to do any pug or lfr to see im right. A few players opinions on a forum does not reflect the reality of thousands in game