I definitly have not the same experience.
Especially since you allmost never have more than 1 mail wearer in M+ and thats usually me.
GL will allways be better for me. Simply due the trainwreck PL is.
I believe this is the case.
Everyone’s experiences vary but GL has been particularly hellish on gearing for me, not just on my main but I collect the sets from LFR on alts. I literally got the set via catalyst and vault.
For me PL has always been the superior looting system. GL is awful. I’m still unable to get my bis trinket and for the last four weeks it hasn’t even dropped from the boss, let alone try to win the roll.
For me GL is the trainwreck. It doesn’t care who is present, it doesn’t care what the make up of the raid is. It’s just going throw randomly often useless loot at teams.
There is no loot to pass because no one is getting any useful loot. So the odd actual useful drop that comes from GL is rolled on by everyone. If it actually drops, which in my experience is just not happening. We get less loot under GL and shard more stuff even in an organised group.
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And PL forces useless items on you which pugs (more often than not) don’t bother trading.
If blizz wants “personal” loot then make it actually personal. Remove duplicates and remove trading.
Since we’re sharing biased experiences, in my experience the vast majority of useless loot in GL right now are items someone could use, but aren’t upgrades.
You’re just taking the fact that blizzard is stingy with raid gearing in general and blame it on the first thing you see.
And btw, I did some research and apparently blizz said PL used to be tuned so it gives 3 items for 20 players while GL now gives 4, so even if every boss drops an item nobody can equip, it’s still no worse than PL was in SL in terms of upgrades per kill.
Frankly I don’t care if they add PL to raids, gearing from those is a dead concept anyway, but it will be funny to see the same whining as now happen again. People will just find different excuses to blame the system.
GL forces useless items on groups
PL gives your group more useful loot as a whole
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Literally there’s always an issue with these people
Maybe this is me misunderstanding (if so please let me know), but isn’t group loot “just” about allowing greater control and visibility to the drops that existed with personal loot?
Rather than having Blizzard decide if you’re rolling on your behalf (personal loot) and with what parameters, you now get agency in that process.
Is the real problem here that raids aren’t dropping enough loot in general?
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Congratulations, you are smarter than most mammals here. Yeah, people whine because they are not getting enough loot, but they are trying to put it on the system, as if PL guaranteed loot to you and GL makes loot disappear into thin air.
How is it unfair? Every single person in your group has to put the same amount of effort to clear trash and bosses. If they want to sell items they won, it’s their right. I can’t with this bnet forum boomer logic. Hurr durr you can only need on gear if it’s not an upgrade for me!!!
Okay, please explain to me how is it ninjalooting? Is there a LFR etiquette I am not aware of? You people need to go outside.
Why don’t you go play fortnite if you have a issue with the older playerbase on a 20 year old game?
People should only need on items if it is a upgrade. I have no issues if someone wins on a roll and the item is a genuine upgrade for them. When they win on a roll just cause they want their character to look good, or complete a mog set they probs aint ever going to use lol thats when it becomes a bit of a slap in the face because it is abusing the system. But naaa, maybe that tmog button is their for decoration… after all it does look better than the old greed button -.-
why? 20charslongpost
Because thats how the system is set up. Genuinely, what do you think the mog option is for?
Why is someone who joined LFR with intention to auction the item in case they win it, not allowed to need on it if they put exactly the same amount of effort as you did? What kind of logic is that? Do you like to tell random people what they can and cannot do? When doing grocery shopping do you approach random people and tell them to not buy specific products because they’re unhealthy/you don’t like that specific company? l m a o
If you guys want to follow some made up ‘good guy’ code, good for you. Do not blame others for trying to make quick gold by joining lfr because it’s within ToS of wow.
I mean, what kind of analogy is that lol what grocerys people buy doesn’t effect my time, effort or progression does it?
I aint biting anymore because you just a troll.
Run along child you might be late for school
I really don’t understand why they didn’t just implement GL as an option for raid groups composed of 80% guild members. I don’t recall a single person, at least on the forum, asking for forced GL for raid everywhere. In fact all I saw was either people completely opposed to GL, or people in favour of optional GL for guilds.
This is just another case of Blizzard implementing something the players asked for, but in the worst possible way. It honestly feels like it’s on purpose at this point, as if they’re trying to prove the “you think you do, but you don’t” by forcing the worst possible implementation of a system that is otherwise a no-brainer.
I agree that no one asked for it to be forced on everyone… iirc the thing most people asked for was “just keep personal loot, but removed all trading restrictions”
Personally I think GL is better, because I detest getting my mates bis trinket in m+, and being unable to trade it because I haven’t had a higher ilvl one yet. It happened twice while gearing this monk …
The restrictions on trading should be lifted for sure, it serves nobody. And it would eliminate the need for GL altogether. Plus there wouldn’t be the chance of looting items nobody in the group can use.
I do remember a lot of people whining about something like “but I don’t want to be able to give away my hard earned loot”, to which I say… just don’t?
And if the concern is loot distribution in guilds, all I have to say about that is if you want to be a loot goblin and leech off a guild, there probably won’t be many guilds that want to keep you around anyway.
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Ciol nice behaviour ithink ur parents are proud?
Why would I care?
Indeed, and this is what I wanna say most people asked for, where everyone should be able to be happy, or at least not unhappy.
But bliz seems to want to move from one extreme to the other. And at each extreme you have people that are angry as hell.
While I personally prefer GL, PL with no trading restrictions wouldn’t make me unhappy in any way.
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Might be allowed in tos but it’s still scummy
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