There’s literally no reason we can’t have options for loot distribution
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Personal loot caters to the players present in the raid. So the drops are more meaningful and more widely useful to the raid party. Group Loot is just random items from the loot table regardless of who is or is not present, so less useful to the raid party.
Under PL players generally got two items per clear, under GL players are going weeks without winning anything.
They could just either change GL to respect the classes/specs present or change PL so everything is tradeable. But that would result in players getting loot more often, and we don’t do that here 
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Yeah I would really hate giving my friend the trinket I looted that is crap for me but bis for him. That would be truly awful. The vendor clearly needs it more.
I personally haven’t found the ilvl trade restrictions horrendous on PL, which is still used in M+. We can usually easily trade items between the group present, and it doesn’t usually take me long to get something in that slot that is high enough to let me trade gear to others. Most people just offer up their unwanted loot or will trade it when asked, unless they are already there with a friend they are funnelling to.
It’s not the worst thing in the world, but it doesn’t need to exist either. It just results in a lot of sad vendoring either early on in a season before people get their item levels up, or when gearing alts with your friends at any point in the season. It’s just an unnecessary system altogether.
Sadly GL leads to lots of people going oh well I’ll take that for off spec or transmog or just simply for D/E in our raids. There are only so many classes that can use a gun or bow and it just kept dropping. Even our Warriors took them for transmog. Just a waste of space.
I prefer PL myself because it’s more useful even in guild runs with a loot council.
That’s fair, i’ll just say, I had it happen twice last week 2 weeks where I couldn’t trade my friend his bis trinket as we were gearing.
We had it happen ones the other way. Same issue with a neck.
While I know it’s not something that hits everyone, it’s so frustrating when it does tho.
I’d rather loose a need roll than ever have the game tell me, oh you can’t help your mate with this item that’s useless to you.
Just to clarify…
When people say “oh, used to get 2 items per clear with PL” most of the time, the loot you got was useless.
Where now, yes, you might get loot less often, but it’s always useful.
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As someone who collects the LFR sets and others on a suitable char that needs the gear, it is horrendous trying to collect anything. I actually only got the set from LFR because I could convert using the catalyst and get slots unlocked in the vault.
Even raid gear is horrendous and we have a loot council for fair distribution. I basically gear via M plus, the vault and the catalyst. The worst part being that I need a raid trinket and I still can’t get one. For the last four weeks it hasn’t even dropped from the boss.
I would far rather have my two drops of spec specific loot drops which yield more upgrades overall than the current system. It’s a pretty poor system if you can’t get anything from actually running the content.
Like I said they could easily fix by either changing GL to respect the classes and specs present or making all PL tradeable regardless of ilvl equipped.
I’ve just had the complete opposite experience when PL was a thing. Running the raids on repeat, and the rare times the trinket I needed did drop, it was for someone who couldn’t trade or anything. While some might consider the usual 2 drops good, to me it just felt like I got nothing because it was either traded to someone who could use it, or vendored for basically nothing.
But yes, as i’ve also mentioned before, I think PL with no trading restrictions is the best way going forward, while I personally prefer GL.
PL with no trading restriction would be the the least offensive for anyone.
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I appreciate the trade restrictions will very much vary on what a guild’s and it’s players’ approach is. I have been in more casual guilds where people aren’t expected to gear in m plus or do vault slots and you always get some that are so undergeared they’d never be able to trade.
Yes please. Need before greed is toxic. Let Mythic raiders keep it if they want to, they’re such a minority they should be ignored but whatever.
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might aswell include the dinar system for old raid weapons(normal heroic mythic)
if they dont drop or they drop or you get outrolled because rng gave them lucky rolls
(sepulcher,sanctum of domination,mythic uldir etc)
aye im jealous about people outrolling me for the red tint jaithys from mythic kel thuzad
on 3 separate characters a week
what i propose is either the dinars being bad luck protection or a “failsafe”
which is what their purpose in said fated season was i think
the bosses that drop weapons/shields/staffs/dagger/offhand can drop said dinar each
that way even if the weapon you want drops from the boss kill but someone else wins you can still buy it from the vendor
i remember finishing the quests in fated SL season and could buy
a fated gavel and fated jaithys(which is the normal appearence)
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Talking about being toxic.
How group loot is an issue, when you can’t press NEED if you already have an item or better item? I also had LFR runs where I didn’t get a single piece, but also had runs where I got 2-3 pieces.
The issue with personal loot I have is that ppl getting items they don’t need and not trading. With group loot it’s not an issue. So, honestly, I fail to see how ppl can complain about group loot.
It’s not scummy.
If I have a car that has a 5k euros value, but I put it for sale with 1M euros, and someone buys it, it’s not scummy.
If people were not giving gold for items, others won’t go there to sell it. It’s offer and demand.
Everybody can do raids with their own purpose, as long as it doesn’t break the ToS.
Also if someone is “smart” enough to pay for LFR loot, which it can be changed in a couple of hours, that’s purely on him.
Both PL and GL have the same issue anyway: people who die at pull / underperform by miles usually get the loot. At least in GL I have a chance. PL is already happening in keys, and by the time I reach the half of the dungeon (especially in small dungeons, like 12-16s) I can say who is taking the loot at the end, just by seeing who failed the most or who is there dealing the same damage as me playing with my feet.
PL used to give the same damn ring over and over again for weeks in row. Also people playing off meta specs in raid had literally a small chance of getting the item anyay (let’s say you only have one player who plays survival, or feral…gl getting a weapon, because he has to roll fin the background for loot, and then being assigned the exact item he needs from loot table). Same applies for bows if there is only one hunter and so on. But hey, as long as you play a 2H STR or a caster, you are fine cause you have enough chances, so you don’t need to care about anything else, right?
If i want to pay for loot ill join a gdkp run. If im doing raid finder i dont expect to have to pay for what is effectively entry level gear
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The worst thing is, if you have say the Fyrrak trinket, you can put it in your bank and the game lets you roll on it again.
If you have it in your bag or equip you can’t roll unless it has a third stat.
So basically you can get your trinket, then do it weekly as a gold making by ninja it from heroic raids where people actually need the item still and have to pay 1 mill for it
You can also put your gear on, get invited as a 485 ilvl player, then before you get summon put all your gear in your bank, put some random 463 gear on and then roll on everything in the raid, unless someone inspects you and kicks which is rare.
in LFR raid finder it should be personal loot. a few times iv seen 1 person winning the rolls on almost everything from a single boss. LFR isnt even that difficult if youre like ilevel 430+ so why is that on the need greed system. i went and did all the wings on raid finder one week on my main character and didnt get a single item. thats how many bosses and not a single thing to get. i understand with normal, heroic and mythic as generally those are more organised but LFR is just silly. going in and getting nothing out of it at all is really lame
they still arent benefiting from this. If they want benefit they would make it impossible to buy token on your own and make it really worth to buy golds from token, now its not reasonable at all since you can just go and sell cosmetic you don’t even need for thousands of golds
no, you explain to me how needing on items YOU DONT NEED, just to sell them for golds IS NOT ninjalooting, it’s you who need to go outside, cuz appearently you need some fresh air dude
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be quiet 12 year old